I recently sold a LeMatt revolver in an online auction to a fellow in San Diego, I was hoping for some response from anyone living in this area concerning the legality of shipping this firarm to a private individual. California laws seem pretty confusing to navigate through, I checked the web and have gotten a headache from just looking at them for a few minutes. Any information would be appreciated.
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Shipping LeMatt Revolver to San Diego
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Brokenlaig
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I can answer that.
Nope, you'll have to ship it to a regular FFL, and he will have to do the background and wait. After all, people use cap and ball revolvers to hold up liquor stores all the time. :curse:
Nope, you'll have to ship it to a regular FFL, and he will have to do the background and wait. After all, people use cap and ball revolvers to hold up liquor stores all the time. :curse:
You can order a percussion pistol from Dixie Gun Works and they'll ship it directly to your home in California.
As far as I know, the only black powder weapons that have to go the a California FFL dealer are inlines.
hobbles
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When I still lived out there I couldn't even get a gas tank sendin unit sent to me cause it had a spring and a gage on it, Now that I am in Kentucky, I even bought back my 10/22 with the pistol grip on it,, The sheriff here thought I was kiddin when I said I couldn't own it out west,, Good luck ,,
Now, as an 18 year old (many years ago), I was suppose to wait and buy my Ruger Old Army from the dealer. I found that Gil Hebard had it in stock and bought it from him instead. It was delivered to my doorstep.
While I can't find my Calif. Rifle & Pistol booklet on CA law, if you look at this (miserable) state's definition of a firearm, blackpowder does fall into it. One must go through a dealer, blah, blah, blah. Virtually impossible to enforce and virtually impossible for the DA to prove.
While I can't find my Calif. Rifle & Pistol booklet on CA law, if you look at this (miserable) state's definition of a firearm, blackpowder does fall into it. One must go through a dealer, blah, blah, blah. Virtually impossible to enforce and virtually impossible for the DA to prove.
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From the "California Dangerous Weapon Control Law"...
12001. (a)(1) As used in this title, the terms "pistol," "revolver," and "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person" shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
(2) As used in this title, the term "handgun" means any "pistol," "revolver," or "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person."
(b) As used in this title, "firearm" means any device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion.
Pretty clear cut to me......which is why I left California 5 years ago and will never go back.
I report.......You decide. :m2c:
12001. (a)(1) As used in this title, the terms "pistol," "revolver," and "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person" shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
(2) As used in this title, the term "handgun" means any "pistol," "revolver," or "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person."
(b) As used in this title, "firearm" means any device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion.
Pretty clear cut to me......which is why I left California 5 years ago and will never go back.
I report.......You decide. :m2c:
You posted everything except the "muzzleloading exception". We have percussion pistols shipped to us in California all the time. But, I suggest that nobody take my word for it (or anyine else on the Fourm). A quick call to any California gun dealer can settle this if there is doubt.
After just a casual Google, I can understand being spooked about shipping a front loader to California.
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Yes, these are all examples of "INLINE" weapons that have to go through a FFL dealer. They are the only muzzleloaders that are restricted in California. They are considered modern "firearms". Flint and percussion are not.
Don't let nobody in the Government hear that or they will be trying to outlaw all ML'ers from being shipped. Like they aren't already.
I think I've missed your point. Do you mean, except for the cosmetics (looks), an inline and a flintlock are the same? ::
You did say "muzzleloaders." The concept of a muzzleloader, be it, sidelock or inline, wood or plastic, stainless or browned, except for the cosmetics, a muzzleloader is a muzzleloader.
Percussion frontloaders manufactured today, top hats or 209 primers, both set off a charge of BP or substitute in the same manner. I just found the twisted government reasoning as to the regulating of one, and not the other, weird. :shake:
It must be because someone has been listening to all of the misleading propaganda about inlines being equal to modern rifles. The component parts that go into a modern inline are much closer to those of modern cartridge guns than they are to traditional muzzleloaders. Maybe the state is afraid someone will figure out a way to convert a bolt action inline to a select fire assault weapon along the lines of the pederson device (I know this was a not select-fire) for the '03 Springfield. :haha:
I would actually be interested in the wording of the muzzleloader exception that excludes inlines from this category. Does it concern igition?
Probably better in the Dumbest thing thread, but, after my father in law passed away my wife said his pistol was supposed to go to the oldest son, who lived in Seattle. UPS was simple and fast and no one asked any questions. Lord I was lucky. Not to mention dumb. ::
