Short Starters: When, How, Why did they appear?
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They appeared because folks stopped coning their muzzles. :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: (Sorry, different discussion)
No, I really don't know. There are none shown or mentioned in Madison Grant's book Thoughts on the Kentucky Rifle which shows ALL other kinds of accoutrements imaginable that were part of a hunting pouch and its contents. Probably appeared about the time the "range rod" and the false muzzle arrived for use by target shooters who didn't have to carry their gear around everywhere they went.
Just another thing to dangle, jangle and tangle.
No, I really don't know. There are none shown or mentioned in Madison Grant's book Thoughts on the Kentucky Rifle which shows ALL other kinds of accoutrements imaginable that were part of a hunting pouch and its contents. Probably appeared about the time the "range rod" and the false muzzle arrived for use by target shooters who didn't have to carry their gear around everywhere they went.
Just another thing to dangle, jangle and tangle.
He could be referring to a "short" starter like the one pictured below. It's been my understanding that the "long", short starter that we see today came about at modern rendezvous.
You do realize that after few more posts we will have confused the "Long-short-starter" with the "Short-long-starter" and we won't know what the hell we're talking about! :haha:
Some would say we've reached that point already. :crackup:
You'll have to admit...this IS funny...
I was just picking up on Jim Chambers sentence about short starters in another thread and thought I'd give it it's own life.
And after just a couple of posts we now have short starters, long starters, short short starters, long short starters, short long starters...ordinarily people have to pay for this kind of comedy routine!!!!!!
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I was just picking up on Jim Chambers sentence about short starters in another thread and thought I'd give it it's own life.
And after just a couple of posts we now have short starters, long starters, short short starters, long short starters, short long starters...ordinarily people have to pay for this kind of comedy routine!!!!!!
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Hey, our comedy writers are working overtime on this one. ::
I submit that there were starters like the one pictured above used with blocks in the past. The long one's we see today are a modern invention.
Sure LOOKS old...you must have your own private search engine...others use "google"...we have "Musketman!!"
Was there any text with that photo that might date it, at least generally?
(PS: Sure will be embarrassing if the long part is the handle)
Was there any text with that photo that might date it, at least generally?
(PS: Sure will be embarrassing if the long part is the handle)
Perhaps not...
Rifle Ball Starter and Powder Measure
A wood starter was used to seat the patched round ball evenly into the muzzle of the rifle.
It sounds like the text is describing the way the one in my photo is used. That is, to seat the ball "even" with the end of the muzzle. I'm guessing they used the fat end. The one above would not seat the ball any more "evenly" than the rod itself if you used the long end. :imo:
The starter shown is 10.1 cm long (4 in). That makes the measure about an inch long. Not much powder. Could this be the measure and rod for a small pistol? ::
my starter is hammer handle cut 2inches long for seaten the ball,its cut so it will put the ball just a hair under the muzzle.I drilled a hole in the side an glued a wood dowel that sticks out 1 an 3/4 inch to push the patch an ball in the muzzle.Works good,been thinken of cuting the dowel down to half that size or maybe a inch long.aint had no problems yet.Most of the starters i see damage the ball some.The wood dont seem to buger up the ball much.I hadnt thought of making a powder measure on a starter :hmm:.Have to work maken one.I'd scan a pic of my goofy looken starter but my scanner took a dump 3 years ago and has never been replaced
It is my understanding that the "short starter" dates to Napoleonic time, during the first Le Mans race which was then ran with horse and carrige, the Emperor himself started the first race with a shot from his pistol, thus Napoleon himself became the first... "short starter"...
Good one TG, and not one bit of PC in it. ::
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