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Hello,

I own an original smoothbore percussion longrifle from 1820 in good condition. I have already shot with roundball, 42 grs swiss no.2, .490 PRB an d0,50 mm spittled patch. Now I want to try it with shot. May 180 grs of 2,5mm shot and the same powdercharge all right?
 
Not sure if your Grs are the same as ours but i would go with an equal measure of powder and shot, or maybe 50 grs of shot.
 
Fifty caliber translates to 37-38 gauge by the English system. I would try about 5/8 ounce of shot over an equal volume of ffg powder. Wads are very important, the overpowder wads must be tight enough to seal the bore and the over-shot wad should be thin and light so as not to disturb the pattern of pellets as they past it in flight. I'm sure you could safely load up to a full ounce of shot but that makes a very long column in the bore with many pellets deformed and flying wild. Getting good shotgun patterns tends to require a lot of experimentation on paper targets as every gun is a rule unto itself. Good Luck.
 
Herr Kirkmeister: So that we are talking on the same page: There are 7000 grains to the pound, and 16 ounces to the pound. One ounce equals 437.5 grains by weight. In that small a caliber, or gauge smoothbore, ( .50 caliber) ( 37 Gauge) you want to start with reasonable levels of both powder and shot and work up. This is not a gun to use to shoot Geese or ducks, or even pheasants. Its a very small game gun, and because the bore is so tiny, the patterns are not going to be that good. Too many pellets are going to scrape the inside of the barrel going out of the gun, which will put flats on the pellet and make them slow down even faster. Only a few pellets in the middle will survive in any kind of round shape to make a pattern at anything over 20 yds. ( about 18 meters).


Start with the 5/8 oz. load that Joe suggests. That calls for an equivalent amount of Goex FFg powder of 50 grains. 5/8 oz equals 274 grains by weight in grains. That should be a good starting load, safe, and will give you good patterns out to 20 yds, or so. Beyond that, you are stretching the effect range of your gun. " Effective " is determined by shooting the load at paper, and inspecting the target. Shoot several shots at different pieces of paper, and at 20 yds, and see how many pellets make it to a core area of 10 inches. To determine what size shot to use, shoot at a soda pop can at 20 yds, and see how many shot of the size you choose will penetrate both sides of the can. When you find out what is effective, at 20, then 25, then 30 yds, you can go back to adjusting the amount of powder, and the amount of shot you shoot until you find a combination that gives you the most pellets on target that penetrate the furthest. That will give you your maximum range to shoot at birds, rabbits, or squirrels, and it will tell you how large the shot has to be in order to kill the game effectively.

I would not exceed a powder charge of 70 Grains of Goex FFg, and one ounce of shot. That would be considered a magnum load by anybody's standard, and probably won't put as many pellets on target as some of the lesser charges. The shot column that leaves the barrel of that small bore will be very long, and most of the pellets will be deformed and will be dropping to the ground before they reach 20 yds.

If you need loading data, look at any reloading manual for modern cartridge shotguns, and use the data for the 28 gauge guns. Just use black powder. I believe that Swiss 1 1/2 is equivalent to the Goex FFg powder, and that the Swiss #2 powder is equivalent to Goes FFFg powder. That means its burns faster, and creats greater pressure. Try the lighter amount of powder and see what kind of patterns you get. You may want to switch the Swiss 1 1/2 powder for this smoothbore.

Do not feel that this smallbore shotgun will handicap you. If the truth were really told, most birds are shot inside 20 yards, even ducks, and geese. And you should be able to walk within 18 meters of any rabbit. I have gotten to within 2 meters of a rabbit just walking softly and moving very slow. Good hunting.
 
Hello, my nickname is Kirrmeister not Kirkmeister, means master of baiting. Thanks for the data. So I will try with your loading data. I want to hunt at croes, ducks and rabbits at a maximum range of 30 meters
 
As a "master of baiting" ( be careful in speaking that one) but a master of baiting should be able to get them in close. Otherwise, if you really need 30 meters I think you need a bigger bore. I'd consider that about max range for my 28 ga. with improved cylinder choke and one ounce of shot. Before I choked it the max was more like 20 yards.
 
Please accept my apology for my typing error, Mr. Kirrmeister. I try to catch those things, but the letters are very small on my screen. I have to agree with CoyoteJoe, about using a larger bore shotgun if you are wanting to shoot out to 30 meters( 33 yards.approx.) A minimum of a 20 ga. should be used for such long range targets. I would recommend a 16 or 12 gauge, and if you can find a good 10 gauge, it would not be inappropriate. You can shoot lighter loads in larbe bore shotguns, ( 12 ga. load in a 10 ga. gun, for instance) and fewer pellets will be in contact with the bore, meaning you will have more pellets in your core pattern using the larger bore shotgun than if you shot them in a 12 ga. More pellets mean more changes to kill the bird. Also, because the bore is bigger( wider in diameter), the felt recoil of the larger bore gun is even less than if you used the smaller bore gun to shoot the same load. I have used several 20 ga. loads in my 12 ga. shotgun, to good effect. Just limit the range you choose to shoot at birds, or bunnies.
 
30 meters will be the maximum maximum distance. Usually it will be shorter.I only want to try a bit with my original smoothie.There is a pond in my hunting.ground with about 2 hectars. there are many wild ducks. While there are trees around the shore it is possible to get very close to them before they have noticed you.I will have a try.
 
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