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Single Set or Double Set Trigger
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With double set triggers you can make the back trigger I think it is a much light pull trigger. With the single you have what ever pull it is.
As far as hunting I don't know of any difference except for the pull on the firing trigger.
All of mine are doubles so that is all I know about and I just use or don't use the set trigger depending on my mood at the time.
As far as hunting I don't know of any difference except for the pull on the firing trigger.
All of mine are doubles so that is all I know about and I just use or don't use the set trigger depending on my mood at the time.
luie b said:
The singe set requires the trigger to be pushed forward to set it. The DST requires the rear trigger to be pulled to set the trigger.
The more complex the set trigger the better it works. A good single set is a pretty good trigger. But for set triggers I would rather have a double set.
Hunting rifles need triggers that can be fired set or unset.
Dan
I prefer a double set for hunting. You don't always get to set the trigger when the shot is close in, but for farther shots, you have that option. To me it's just more intuitive, but that could be because it's what I'm used to.
well a double has 2 triggers and opperates 2 ways firt you **** the hammer then set the trigger [rear one] or you can set the trigger then **** the hammer.
single can work two ways most muzzle loaders that have them you have to set the trigger so you can **** the hammer.
then there are the single trigger where you **** the hammer then push the trigger forward to set it. i some winchesters with single set triggers. also so dueling pistols had this type of trigger. gave the owner a little edge, of course he did not tell other guy about this feature.
me i don.t use a set trigger for hunting.
single can work two ways most muzzle loaders that have them you have to set the trigger so you can **** the hammer.
then there are the single trigger where you **** the hammer then push the trigger forward to set it. i some winchesters with single set triggers. also so dueling pistols had this type of trigger. gave the owner a little edge, of course he did not tell other guy about this feature.
me i don.t use a set trigger for hunting.
This is part of a post I made about single set and double set triggers. I think it covers most of the bases:
While I'm talking about set triggers I guess I might mention the difference between a "Single Set Trigger" and a "Double Set Trigger".
A "Single Set Trigger" only has one trigger hanging down inside the trigger guard. It is "set" by pushing it forward and released by pulling it backwards.
A "Double Set Trigger" simply means that there are two "triggers" hanging down inside the trigger guard. Only one of them is actually the trigger and the other one merely sets or cocks the spring that will propel it into the locks sear arm. The "real" trigger can be either the front trigger or the rear trigger so it is very important to know which is which before trying to fire a gun which has them.
If the set triggers are the "Double Set Single Lever" style, no amount of pulling the front trigger will fire the gun unless the rear trigger is first "set". The real trigger does not have a blade on it to trip the locks sear so it is incapable of firing the gun by itself.
These triggers will work with a lock that does not have a fly but they must be first set before you can even **** the gun to the "full ****" position. If the triggers are not set, the set trigger blade will be pushing up on the locks sear arm so that the sear will never engage the tumblers full **** notch.
These triggers are usually found on target guns.
The Double Set, Double Lever triggers are the most common design and are the type supplied by the big companies like Lyman and TC.
The Double Set, Double Lever trigger has one real trigger which can release the lock without the trigger being "set". This trigger also serves to hold the spring loaded trigger in a cocked position and if the triggers are "set" a very light touch on it will release the spring loaded "trigger" and fire the gun.
The other "trigger" looks like a trigger but really only cocks a large spring that will propel it into the locks sear to fire the gun when it is released.
These Double Set, Double lever triggers are a compromise that allows you to **** and fire the gun without first setting the set trigger but they will never have a light unset trigger pull.
That is because in order to get everything into the small area in which they must live the pivot point of the real trigger must be too far from the sear arm on the lock. That makes for a heavy, creepy trigger pull if the triggers are used without first setting them.
This is why many hunters prefer a good single trigger to a "set trigger".
Properly installed, a simple single trigger will have a nice 2-3 pound crisp release but of course it will never match the 2-4 ounce release of a good set trigger for super accurate target work.
While I'm talking about set triggers I guess I might mention the difference between a "Single Set Trigger" and a "Double Set Trigger".
A "Single Set Trigger" only has one trigger hanging down inside the trigger guard. It is "set" by pushing it forward and released by pulling it backwards.
A "Double Set Trigger" simply means that there are two "triggers" hanging down inside the trigger guard. Only one of them is actually the trigger and the other one merely sets or cocks the spring that will propel it into the locks sear arm. The "real" trigger can be either the front trigger or the rear trigger so it is very important to know which is which before trying to fire a gun which has them.
If the set triggers are the "Double Set Single Lever" style, no amount of pulling the front trigger will fire the gun unless the rear trigger is first "set". The real trigger does not have a blade on it to trip the locks sear so it is incapable of firing the gun by itself.
These triggers will work with a lock that does not have a fly but they must be first set before you can even **** the gun to the "full ****" position. If the triggers are not set, the set trigger blade will be pushing up on the locks sear arm so that the sear will never engage the tumblers full **** notch.
These triggers are usually found on target guns.
The Double Set, Double Lever triggers are the most common design and are the type supplied by the big companies like Lyman and TC.
The Double Set, Double Lever trigger has one real trigger which can release the lock without the trigger being "set". This trigger also serves to hold the spring loaded trigger in a cocked position and if the triggers are "set" a very light touch on it will release the spring loaded "trigger" and fire the gun.
The other "trigger" looks like a trigger but really only cocks a large spring that will propel it into the locks sear to fire the gun when it is released.
These Double Set, Double lever triggers are a compromise that allows you to **** and fire the gun without first setting the set trigger but they will never have a light unset trigger pull.
That is because in order to get everything into the small area in which they must live the pivot point of the real trigger must be too far from the sear arm on the lock. That makes for a heavy, creepy trigger pull if the triggers are used without first setting them.
This is why many hunters prefer a good single trigger to a "set trigger".
Properly installed, a simple single trigger will have a nice 2-3 pound crisp release but of course it will never match the 2-4 ounce release of a good set trigger for super accurate target work.
Gad's Zonie!! Again well said :bow:
So luie,,Did ya git that?
The double set double lever trigger is the ONLY "set" trigger that works for hunting IMHO. Ya can still just pull the front trigger and not worry about the "extra" motion. And/or you can have the option of pulling the back trigger to "set" the front.(makes a clicking noise)
Single set triggers have a funny "bounce" after the pull that takes some getting used too, but are usually used for target shooting when time allows a person to really think about the shot.
again, IMHO, Hunting is what is required before shooting the gun. Once the trigger is pulled,,the HUNT is over.
So luie,,Did ya git that?
luie b said:
The double set double lever trigger is the ONLY "set" trigger that works for hunting IMHO. Ya can still just pull the front trigger and not worry about the "extra" motion. And/or you can have the option of pulling the back trigger to "set" the front.(makes a clicking noise)
Single set triggers have a funny "bounce" after the pull that takes some getting used too, but are usually used for target shooting when time allows a person to really think about the shot.
again, IMHO, Hunting is what is required before shooting the gun. Once the trigger is pulled,,the HUNT is over.
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i prefer the double lever double set triggers, which can be fired set or unset, but that's a personal choice and what you do in the woods is really determined by the situation in which you find yourself. i like having the option, but that's just one guy's opinion.
if you can, get a Lyman or T/C with double set triggers and dry fire it (if it's a flinter, put a bit of wood or a rubber eraser where the flint goes-- if it's a caplock, put a bit of rubgber hose over the nipple) this way, you'll be able to feel the trigger pull of the unset trigger and decide for yourself if you can live with it. if this is too creepy or heavy (or both), just go with a single trigger as you would find on a fowler.
either way, you can make an informed decision and then go out and
make good smoke
if you can, get a Lyman or T/C with double set triggers and dry fire it (if it's a flinter, put a bit of wood or a rubber eraser where the flint goes-- if it's a caplock, put a bit of rubgber hose over the nipple) this way, you'll be able to feel the trigger pull of the unset trigger and decide for yourself if you can live with it. if this is too creepy or heavy (or both), just go with a single trigger as you would find on a fowler.
either way, you can make an informed decision and then go out and
make good smoke
In April 1981 Muzzle Blasts is an article describing an unusual Hawken Rifle. The rifle has an interesting, simple single set trigger. I can find no additional information on it nor can I identify anyone manufacturing a replica.
Here are thumbnails of the trigger.
Here are thumbnails of the trigger.
Naphtali said:In April 1981 Muzzle Blasts is an article describing an unusual Hawken Rifle. The rifle has an interesting, simple single set trigger. I can find no additional information on it nor can I identify anyone manufacturing a replica.
Here are thumbnails of the trigger.
It takes a complex SS trigger compete with a good DST.
The breakover type are just not all that good compared to a good "sear" type trigger.
A friend has been making triggers of this type, breakover point on the trigger, for decades for pistols and rifles and yes they are historically correct and fairly easy to do. They can be good on a pistol but I would not want one on a match rifle.
Dan
Dan:
Please furnish contact information for the man who makes a similar trigger.
I am interested in the trigger for use on a hunting rifle rather than target. Have you information regarding adjustment parameters set and unset? Creep, overtravel, slackness at take-up, etc.?
Please furnish contact information for the man who makes a similar trigger.
I am interested in the trigger for use on a hunting rifle rather than target. Have you information regarding adjustment parameters set and unset? Creep, overtravel, slackness at take-up, etc.?
