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Oldnamvet

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I took my .62 flint smoothbore out today to pattern it for the first time. Using the 70 grain volumetric measure of #8 shot and 60 grains of 3f, it looked pretty good as long as I keep the range at no more than 25 yards. Since I was on the skeet range, I also tried it on a couple of birds just to see how much difference there is between my 870 and the smoothbore. Took a low house #1 and a high house #4 and powdered both so I was happy. Once that 42" barrel starts swinging, it isn't that hard to keep going as you pull the trigger. Even got one of the local Pastors interested and will be taking him out. After all that, I picked up the cardboard that I had used for patterning and could hear shot inside when I shook it. Some of that #8 shot didn't go all the way through. :hmm: This leads me to wonder what type of powder charge would I need for hunting pheasants and chukar with #5 shot? The 60 grain charge seemed like a pussycat as far as recoil goes. Do I need to up that charge? About how much? :confused:
 
I would think that load would work fine on grouse. I have used 60 grs of 3f powder and 80 gr vol.
(1 1/8 oz)for turkey in my .20. Just keep the shots under 25 yds.
 
Oldnamvet said:
I took my .62 flint smoothbore out today to pattern it for the first time. Using the 70 grain volumetric measure of #8 shot and 60 grains of 3f, it looked pretty good as long as I keep the range at no more than 25 yards. Since I was on the skeet range, I also tried it on a couple of birds just to see how much difference there is between my 870 and the smoothbore. Took a low house #1 and a high house #4 and powdered both so I was happy. Once that 42" barrel starts swinging, it isn't that hard to keep going as you pull the trigger. Even got one of the local Pastors interested and will be taking him out. After all that, I picked up the cardboard that I had used for patterning and could hear shot inside when I shook it. Some of that #8 shot didn't go all the way through. :hmm: This leads me to wonder what type of powder charge would I need for hunting pheasants and chukar with #5 shot? The 60 grain charge seemed like a pussycat as far as recoil goes. Do I need to up that charge? About how much? :confused:
For what it's worth, I've settled on 80grns Goex 3F for most any strong hunting shot loads in my .62cal...gets good penetration.
DaveK gave me the tip of using thick 'tuna' cans as a test vehicle...one of the few remaining thick, strong metal cans, good size @ 4" diameter.

80grns Goex 3F
1 full Circle Fly prelubed ½” cushion wad
90grns #5's or #6s (1+1/4oz)
Circle Fly OS card
Outstanding pattern at 25 yards
Excellent general purpose load
 
I use a 2 3/4 dram( 75 grains) of FFg powder behind a 1 1/4 oz load of #5 shot for hunting pheasants( in my 12 gauge). #6 shot works okay as long as you stay inside 30 yards. #5 shot allows me to go to possibly 35 yards. I have killed pheasants with that load out at 33 yards. A comparable load in my 20 gauge fowler would be 60 grains of FFg, and 1 oz. of shot, #5 or #6 shot, with the same restrictions.

I am not surprised at the performance of #8 shot at 25 yards. Pellet energy is greatly reduce, and the shot kills because lots more pellets are available to hit the bird, so that the individual pellet energy is multiplied by the number of pellets that hit the bird. Shock is what will kill birds at 25 yards- as only rarely do you find that small shot penetrate to vital organs.

I have killed dove out to 35 yards with a cylinder bore 12 gauge shooting light #8 loads, but a dove is about the third the size of the average pheasant, and much easier to kill. Patterns do get thin, however, at longer distances. You have to center a dove with that kind of load to bring him down. I have dusted dove with the same load when I was a little off-center, only to see them at first dip, and then continue flying on.

I once shot a pheasant going away from me at about 20 yards with a load of #6 shot. Unfortunately, I was hunting with two guys for the first time, who then shot my bird with a load of #5, and a load of #4 shot, almost faster than I can type this. All three shots hit that bird within a second! The Number 6 shot tumbled the bird: the #5 slammed the bird; and the #4 smacked the bird out of the sky! The buy who was way over on the far left of our drive, and was violating both my and the center man's zone of fire, was given the bird because it was pretty badly mangled when he finished it with his load of #4 shot.

I learned the difference in power on a game bird of the three sizes of shot, and since then, have used that lesson in selecting shot for hunting every game bird I have had an opportunity to hunt. With Lead shot banned for hunting migratory Waterfowl, I have not had a use for #4 shot. I stopped using #6 shot after having a couple of crippled pheasants run away from me. I still use #5 shot for Pheasants, because the birds are anchored with any kind of good hit, even on long shots. The retained Pellet energy is quite good, and shooters should read the charts in the Lyman Shotshell Reloading Manual to understand retained pellet energy for the various size shots, fired at various Muzzle Velocities out at 20, 40, and 60 yards. Its a good education, and I used it to help me decide to switch to using #5 shot in all my shotguns for hunting pheasants. ( Modern, and BP.)
 
My load is 75 grain FF in a twelve gauge with one ounce #6 shot. Back in the late fifties my father said to use either #4or#6 since #5 would not pattern as well. I never doubted him. I use #6 on all but turkey then switch to #4.
 
It probably did work for you. I am using the Best #5 shot I can buy, and acquired a few pounds of copper jacketed #5 lead shot a while back before the prices rose. You do have to pattern smoothbores, no matter what someone else's gun does. A friend of mine told me that if my Rem. Model 870 shot good patterns with #8 shot, it would also shoot good patterns with #5. If it shot better patterns with #7 1/2 shot, it would also shoot good patterns with #6 shot. He didn't know why that was; he just knew from more than 35 years of shooting Remington barrels that this was true. He was correct. My gun shot better patterns with #8 shot, than with #7 1/2 shot. When I finally acquired some hard-to-get #5 shot, I ran patterns with both #5, and #6 shot. The #5 shot gave better patterns.

An older shotgun I inherited from my father shoots #6 shot better. Go figure. :thumbsup:
 
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