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akapennypincher

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I am planning on last last trip Saturday, to buy some needed items. Should be around the Powder Guy, Primitive Range, and Trader Row Saturday. Should get there by 10am, and be headed home by 2PM or earlier.

Anyone want to meet up, and have a cup of coffee,(no it is Dutch Treat) maybe about High Noon?

I am all ears.
 
I'll probably be out there sometime this week end exercising my arm by carrying something around.

As you know, I have tried to get the NMLRA to advertise the event for the past several years, all to no avail so this year I decided to do something about it.

This year if the Republic doesn't screw it up there will be an ad in the "Guns/Knives" section of the classified ad's on Friday and Saturday saying:

Muzzleloaders
Guns & Supplies
Fri, Sat. Sun
Ben Avery Range

Hopefully it will attract some of the folks out there who aren't aware that the event is even happening or aren't aware that they can buy these things.
 
Zonie said:
As you know, I have tried to get the NMLRA to advertise the event for the past several years, all to no avail so this year I decided to do something about it.

I am sure they would have let you do the advertising for them if you paid for it out of your own pocket. :rotf:

Don't feel bumded out there was a Ricky Skaggs Concert in Friendship years ago during the Spring Shoot that was poorly attended because it was not advertised in the local Newpapers. :shake:

Ever hear of ESP, into did work for the Scaggs Concert or for the Western Shoot in the past. :rotf:

Advertising would only make the place crowded.

Don't loose sleep over it, and lets Frozen Yogurt Machines in Friendship are a bigger priority. :v
 
I stopped out at the event yesterday and have to tell you I was I bit disappointed. I've never been to one of these events before but it seemed really disorganized. There was not much of any signage that I could find so my wife and I just drove around the grounds looking for stuff.

We saw the horse mounted shooters and also watched at the rifle range for a while. Everyone was real friendly and all, but it just didn't seem like it was a big event like I was hoping for. They did say things would pick up quite a bit on the weekend but I was going to be out of town by then.

What frustrated me the most was finding where the vendors set up. There was absolutely no signage for them and when I asked someone how to find the vendors they said to go past the detour sign by the big birm. OK, so we drove past the detour sign and sure enough, there were the vendors. I did say "detour" sign didn't I?

Talked to a few of the vendors and they said business was kind of slow and I said maybe it was because the detour sign was directing their customers away from their area. I hope they got some better signs. :v
 
For those of you who know the Phoenix area I just thought I'd mention one night we had supper up at Pinnacle Patio, or something like that, way in the northern part of Scottsdale on Alma School Road. It was an interesting place. Not every restaurant has three live rattlesnakes in a box in the lobby!

Another place we had a quick bite was at Pete's Fish and Chips. Interesting red sauce.
 
If there were about 5000+ ties hanging from the rafters at the restaurant you were at the Pinnacle Peak Restaurant. For years it was a tradition to cut off the tie of anyone foolish enough to wear one in the door.
IMO most of the restaurant's in the North Scottsdale area are high priced because of the Snowbirds that congregate here during the winter months.

Pete's Fish & Chips has been here for years.
Low prices and large helpings of good old greasy hamburgers and other deep fat fried food has been their claim to fame.
 
ike1518 said:
For those of you who know the Phoenix area I just thought I'd mention one night we had supper up at Pinnacle Patio, or something like that, way in the northern part of Scottsdale on Alma School Road. It was an interesting place. Not every restaurant has three live rattlesnakes in a box in the lobby!

Another place we had a quick bite was at Pete's Fish and Chips. Interesting red sauce.

I pass on the place with the Live Rattlers, and as far a Pete Fish & Chips, I have never been there but I hear it is like the BEST FISH & CHIPS.

The Valley of the sun has some great eating, and one of my favorites is the Claim Jumper by I-17. and the 101 down the Road from Ben Avery.

Just to the west of Ben Avery is a Hamburger & Beer joint down by the Cowtonn Airport at Carfree highway & 99 AVER. YUM YUM.
 
Zonie said:
If there were about 5000+ ties hanging from the rafters at the restaurant you were at the Pinnacle Peak Restaurant. For years it was a tradition to cut off the tie of anyone foolish enough to wear one in the door.
IMO most of the restaurant's in the North Scottsdale area are high priced because of the Snowbirds that congregate here during the winter months.

Pete's Fish & Chips has been here for years.
Low prices and large helpings of good old greasy hamburgers and other deep fat fried food has been their claim to fame.
5,000 + ties, yes, that was the place. I would also concur about the prices - they do seem to cater to people who are looking for a way to get rid of money.
 
akapennypincher said:
ike1518 said:
Just to the west of Ben Avery is a Hamburger & Beer joint down by the Cowtonn Airport at Carfree highway & 99 AVER. YUM YUM.
I wish I had known about that place. When we left we went back east to the shopping area on the other side of the Carefree/I-17 interchange and ate at the In-Out Burger. That place is OK, but I would have rather gone to a "local" place.
 
Zonie said:
Muzzleloaders
Guns & Supplies
Fri, Sat. Sun
Ben Avery Range


Yes I saw it in the AZ Repulbic today, and honestly the ad was about the Size of A Chinese New Years U.S. Postage Stamp. IMHO SAD.... :bull:
 
Glad you read it and I hope it draws some of the people who are interested in muzzleloaders out there.

As for its size, what the hell did you expect? A 5 X 8 inch ad?

Maybe if some other folks around here had also put in an ad (hint-hint) at their own expense the multiple ad's would have been more 'eye-catching'.
 
Zonie said:
Glad you read it and I hope it draws some of the people who are interested in muzzleloaders out there.

As for its size, what the hell did you expect? A 5 X 8 inch ad?

Maybe if some other folks around here had also put in an ad (hint-hint) at their own expense the multiple ad's would have been more 'eye-catching'.


Think it is sad that the NMLRA Meaning the People at the NMLRA like the Ex Com's (President-Robert Vegetal, Vice President-Richard Repovsch, Secretary-Alan K. Shourds, and Treasurer-Alan K. Shourds) did not allocate funs for, PR & Advertising of the Western Shoot.

Or the other 17 Members of the NMLRA BOD did not see a need for PR & Advertising?

But then if anyone asks why the Winter Nationals, that became the Western National Shoot in 2000 is a failure I would point my finger at the 21 NMLRA Directors who control the NMLRA purse strings.

The local volunteers who have done most of the work over the year to try, and make the WNS be it Winter, or Western a successful event have tried IMHO without the support of the vast majority of the NMLRA's Ex COM, or BOD.

Sad that you JIM had to pay for this ad out of your own pocket, :v when years & years the WNS made money, those funds were diverted to "PET" Friendship Projects. Like the famous Director Tim's-Frozen Yogurt Machine.

IMHO the best thing the Western NMLRA Members could do for the sport of Muzzle Loading out West would be start a NEW WESTERN Muzzle loading Association, and say bye bye to the NMLRA.

JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION, as IMHO the NMLRA's Main Focus is on Friendship, and nothing more.

Just for fun do a Google News Search.

Key Words. Ben Avery Phoenix, Arizona and see the press the other shooting event got LAST WEEK.

SHOOTING NEWS BEN AVERY PHOENIX, ARIZONA----Linked
 
I just arrived home from Phoenix.

The problems at Traders Row were unknown to the vendors until they literally arrived on Site, do not blame the NMLRA, put the blame on the folks at Ben Avery for how "they" treated the vendors. The Ben Avery folks cut the road, which cut off access to Traders Row, which re-routed the vendors to an area that was not as nice as in the past.

A sign was put up at the Main Gate advertising Traders Row and it stated that it was open to the public. I saw a lot of folks with their children shopping on Friday.

Some new vendors were there and some old ones were not, I enjoyed visiting with the folks from Log Cabin and will place an order with them this week. Starvin Marvin from Texas was there and I left money with him, without him, Line Shooters would not have the necessary supplies. The powder man was there from Arkansas and without him some people could not shoot since they fly in and cannot bring powder with them. The local Fire Marshall has not made his life easy!!!!

There was a consolidation of the Pistol Shooters and the Offhand Rifle Shooters onto one range. This worked very well, required less physical effort for the pistol shooters and saved the NMLRA money by joining the two groups.

Pistol shooters, there are near as many pistol shooters in Phoenix as at Friendship. This required moving the pistol shooters to a new range with the Offhand Rifle Shooters.

Speaking of shooters, there are more shooters from Ohio than Arizona from listening to people and checking license plates. There is also a large contingent from California which comes, these people area a fun group to shoot with..

It was a nice shoot, the weather was nice until Friday when a wind gust came through and cost several of us our spotting scopes, which is very costly.

The shoot is very well run, the operation is efficient and it's a safe shoot. The Staff who come from Friendship due an excellent job and do not receive the recognition they should receive.

How did I shoot (?), I had some bad and some good aggs. Several Master Pistol Shooters helped me correct several bad habits I had, which increased my scores by the end of the week. I appreciate all their efforts and there is not way I can re-pay them.

If you have not shot in the Winter Nationals, take the time and do so, its fun and you get to meet some really nice people from around the country. Do not judge a shoot by Traders Row alone.

Until someone else steps up in the West to sponsor M/L Shoots which the NMLRA does, the Winter Nationals are as good as it gets and I will be back.
 
Richard Eames said:
I just arrived home from Phoenix.

The problems at Traders Row were unknown to the vendors until they literally arrived on Site, do not blame the NMLRA, put the blame on the folks at Ben Avery for how "they" treated the vendors. The Ben Avery folks cut the road, which cut off access to Traders Row, which re-routed the vendors to an area that was not as nice as in the past.

Road construction has been going on for months at Ben Avery, and it is actually repaving of the road. Also know as NEW BLACK TOP. But the Trader Row with its 20-24 Traders way way down in number of Traders from years past. But was assessable from Carefree Highway. Part of the problem as I was out at Ben Avery the week before the WNS, was RAIN & Left Mud where Trader Row normally is so it got moved to high dry ground to the south on the 1,000 yard range.

A sign was put up at the Main Gate advertising Traders Row & Open to the Public and it stated that it was open to the public. I saw a lot of folks with their children shopping on Friday.


Saturday the sign was on Carefree Highway with an arrow pointing to an entrance to Trader Row, right off Carefree Highway, and it was easy access than driving through the traffic in to the public range at Ben Avery. IMHO.

As I like to walk I parked at the main range walked all over Ben Avery, the ground was dry, and everything was totally accessible by foot, bicycle, motorcycle, and car. So quit crying Richard. :nono:

Some new vendors were there and some old ones were not, I enjoyed visiting with the folks from Log Cabin and will place an order with them this week. Starvin Marvin from Texas was there and I left money with him, without him, Line Shooters would not have the necessary supplies. The powder man was there from Arkansas and without him some people could not shoot since they fly in and cannot bring powder with them. The local Fire Marshall has not made his life easy!!!!

Yes the Fire Marshal, and BATFE are a real pain in the behind, their mission is all about safety, and god forbid should some one be hurt, or worst killed. Those who were hurt or killed would be crying where was the BATFE, and Fire Marshall. Plus I am sure the NMLRA would be named in the LAW suit as it was their shoot where the mishap happened.

You are right to thank the Traders who still show up at the Western Shoot, as many have given up on coming to Phoenix because the number of shooters, spectators, and people spending money has shrunk with no promotion of the NMLRA, and The Western National Shoot in the local area by the people who control the profits from past Western National Shoots. Per the Norm the NMLRA did no PR, Advertising, and had ZERO LOCAL MEDIA Coverage.

Why would a Trader come to Phoenix, spend time, money traveling back and forth, spend money on Traders Row Fee, food, Ice, etc. and after counting out go verses in come, being in the RED. This is a business for these people, and they are not coming for the fun of it, it is to make money.

Heck when the Western National Shoot, Auction, and Raffle made boo koo bucks one year. NMLRA Director Tim & Jerry took the Western Shoot Profits and bought a VERY EXPENSIVE Frozen Yogurt Machine for Friendship.

There was a consolidation of the Pistol Shooters and the Offhand Rifle Shooters onto one range. This worked very well, required less physical effort for the pistol shooters and saved the NMLRA money by joining the two groups.

Pistol shooters, there are near as many pistol shooters in Phoenix as at Friendship. This required moving the pistol shooters to a new range with the Offhand Rifle Shooters.

Speaking of shooters, there are more shooters from Ohio than Arizona from listening to people and checking license plates. There is also a large contingent from California which comes, these people area a fun group to shoot with.

Well let say being diplomatic many "western" NMLRA Members are no longer supporting the Western Shoot, and or Quit being NMLRA Members because the NMLRA (Friendship) is not supporting or promoting the sport of Muzzle Loading in the WEST, or The Western Shoot!

It was a nice shoot, the weather was nice until Friday when a wind gust came through and cost several of us our spotting scopes, which is very costly.

OMG you are complaining about what is called Wind, and Wind is an ACT of God. Nothing the staff of Ben Avery could do about Wind, and had it been hot the Rattle Snakes could have been out, and yes the Staff of Ben Avery has signs up warning you are in the Desert, and BEWARE of Rattlers. :blah:

The shoot is very well run, the operation is efficient and it's a safe shoot. The Staff who come from Friendship due an excellent job and do not receive the recognition they should receive.

Guess the locals who do the set up, tare down, clean up, and have worked their butt off for the last 20 year deserve ZERO THANKS For their efforts.

How did I shoot (?), I had some bad and some good aggs. Several Master Pistol Shooters helped me correct several bad habits I had, which increased my scores by the end of the week. I appreciate all their efforts and there is not way I can re-pay them.

If you have not shot in the Winter Nationals, take the time and do so, its fun and you get to meet some really nice people from around the country. Do not judge a shoot by Traders Row alone.

Until someone else steps up in the West to sponsor M/L Shoots which the NMLRA does, the Winter Nationals are as good as it gets and I will be back.

I honestly do not understand why the NMLRA bothers to have a Western National Shoot, as the way they run the thing is like buying & putting up a McDonalds Franchise, Painting the Building Black with no Signage, and no Golden Arches.

Than asking why they are not selling an Big Mac, French Fries, or Shakes if you get my drift. :bow:
 

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