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storage of powder in pistol
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If you are serious about "protection", I would recommend an 9mm or .45 auto. Perhaps a shotgun if you aren't good with a pistol.
Self defense is not the time to be romanticizing about weapons. Just my opinionated two cents. ::
Self defense is not the time to be romanticizing about weapons. Just my opinionated two cents. ::
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I cncur with Claud- however if bent on this venture, clean the piece well inside with alcohol, including the nipple and drum/breech pathways. Then load it using some sort of wad barrier between the powder and the patched ball, along with a capper (I wouldn't leave it capped) THEN put it were children can't get there little hands on it.
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:I would much prefer a 1911 Colt loaded with 200gr. Speer flying ashtrays or Gold-dots.
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: I left my .69 rifle loaded for 4 months, on hooks, on the mantle, and when finally touching it off, the ball went centre without hesitation. Because I thought I might be loading it for an extended time, I put a second patch between the powder and the patched ball, to protct the powder form the oil in the patch.
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:I would much prefer a 1911 Colt loaded with 200gr. Speer flying ashtrays or Gold-dots.
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: I left my .69 rifle loaded for 4 months, on hooks, on the mantle, and when finally touching it off, the ball went centre without hesitation. Because I thought I might be loading it for an extended time, I put a second patch between the powder and the patched ball, to protct the powder form the oil in the patch.
Acorrding to Elmer Keith, use a felt over powder wad - unlubed - and you can leave it loaded for a very long time. Now, as far as home defense is concerned,best first line of personal defense would be EXTREMELY BRIGHT LIGHT try one of those 2 or 3 million candle power hand held spotlights, along with a co2 powered air horn like boaters carry or sports fans use. the blinding light and PAINFULLY LOUD noise will disorient and frighten intruders. and if you made a mistake and intruder is family member, cost is only new underwear for them, and no hospital bills. As far as fire arms go, forget hand guns, fine motor skills go away when you go into fight or flight mode. This ain't here say, I've experienced this myself more than once. If you must use gun, get shotgun loaded with the smallest shot you can get, up close it'll do the job without going thru bad guy, and wall and kids room, and exterior wall and neighbors wall, get my point? One last thing,we live in lawyer heaven, if you dont go to jail, you still might be sued and bled dry. Talk to a local cop and a lawyer. hope you never need to use force.
Snake eyes,
I have heard that if properly loaded and stored a cap and ball revolver can stay that way for months and still fire reliably. I plan to use my cap and ball .44 cals as backup against four legged preditors when out in the woods. Power of .44 cap and ball revolvers is on par with a .38 special and would be very effective against two legged preditors as well. But as far as home defence I would also recommend a shotgun. I have a disabled son so I don't leave anything loaded around the house, but on a couple of occasions I have put ammo in a handy spot in case I've had to take the old 12 gauge side by side off the wall.
Don
I have heard that if properly loaded and stored a cap and ball revolver can stay that way for months and still fire reliably. I plan to use my cap and ball .44 cals as backup against four legged preditors when out in the woods. Power of .44 cap and ball revolvers is on par with a .38 special and would be very effective against two legged preditors as well. But as far as home defence I would also recommend a shotgun. I have a disabled son so I don't leave anything loaded around the house, but on a couple of occasions I have put ammo in a handy spot in case I've had to take the old 12 gauge side by side off the wall.
Don
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I think a black powder revolver would be near the bottom of the list if I had a choice of home defense weapons, but if you must use one then get a 6 shot '58 Remington copy, load with 30 grains of 3fg, (if the cylinder will hold that much, mine will), top with the afore mentioned UNLUBED wad, ball, then grease.
You WILL NOT have to change caps that often. Today's caps are much more moisture resistant than you'd think.
There is no doubt that a well placed ball will stop a fight right quick.
Please keep in mind that I've seen a ton of gunshot wounds and I'm not much of a believer in handguns for self defense.
When I was doing drug raids my favorite weapons were a 14" barreled 870 with #4 3" mag. buck or the HK MP-5 sub gun.
The 9mm stinks as a pistol round, but in a subgun it's 'nuther story entirely.
The shotgun is awesome, and yes at room ranges birdshot is fine. A short barreled 12 double muzzle loader would be respectable in a pinch.
I firmly disagree with the bright light airhorn approach.
I taught personal defense/deadly force for years.
I've seen determined bad guys absord a LOT of lead and the bright light air horm thing is pure foolishness.
Please don't take offense, but if you can't identify your target you have NO business with a gun in the 1st place.
If I have to defend me or mine I'm going to use something that will do serious damage and lots of it.
You can't shoot someone a little bit.
I'll worry about lawyers later, after all, the only story the cops hear will me mine!
If anyone wants some serious self defense tips, then PM if that's allowed, or e-mail me as this ain't the right site for this.
You WILL NOT have to change caps that often. Today's caps are much more moisture resistant than you'd think.
There is no doubt that a well placed ball will stop a fight right quick.
Please keep in mind that I've seen a ton of gunshot wounds and I'm not much of a believer in handguns for self defense.
When I was doing drug raids my favorite weapons were a 14" barreled 870 with #4 3" mag. buck or the HK MP-5 sub gun.
The 9mm stinks as a pistol round, but in a subgun it's 'nuther story entirely.
The shotgun is awesome, and yes at room ranges birdshot is fine. A short barreled 12 double muzzle loader would be respectable in a pinch.
I firmly disagree with the bright light airhorn approach.
I taught personal defense/deadly force for years.
I've seen determined bad guys absord a LOT of lead and the bright light air horm thing is pure foolishness.
Please don't take offense, but if you can't identify your target you have NO business with a gun in the 1st place.
If I have to defend me or mine I'm going to use something that will do serious damage and lots of it.
You can't shoot someone a little bit.
I'll worry about lawyers later, after all, the only story the cops hear will me mine!
If anyone wants some serious self defense tips, then PM if that's allowed, or e-mail me as this ain't the right site for this.
robinghewitt
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Hi
I bought some old looking caps on eBay, don't know how old. The copper has gone hard but they still work, second hit. The primer material looks to have some kind of metal foil over it.
I am not allowed to defend myself. I am permitted to run away but supposing the burglar tripped over something and hurt himself because I wasn't there to warn him?
best regards
Squire Hewitt
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Snake-eyes,
If the bore is completely dry when loading, and you put a dry patch between the powder charge and lubed patched ball, or conical when loading, then run a dry swab down the bore after loading and before capping, I would think your load should remain good for an extended period of time...
I have tested longevity loads in two of my revolver's, one a .36, the other a .44, using paper cartridges, and the nipple's capped for over a year and never had a misfire at the range with either... The loads were as stout as the day I loaded them...
We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that long before modern firearms, and long after cartridge arms hit the market, percussion pistol's and revolver's were being used as selfdefence weapon's...
Still, it doesn't hurt to keep a good hawk and fighting knife handy just in case... Those have always been good back up weapons...
If the bore is completely dry when loading, and you put a dry patch between the powder charge and lubed patched ball, or conical when loading, then run a dry swab down the bore after loading and before capping, I would think your load should remain good for an extended period of time...
I have tested longevity loads in two of my revolver's, one a .36, the other a .44, using paper cartridges, and the nipple's capped for over a year and never had a misfire at the range with either... The loads were as stout as the day I loaded them...
We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that long before modern firearms, and long after cartridge arms hit the market, percussion pistol's and revolver's were being used as selfdefence weapon's...
Still, it doesn't hurt to keep a good hawk and fighting knife handy just in case... Those have always been good back up weapons...
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Right-on Maxiball- I wasn't sure this was the right place for this discussion, but your advice is spot-on-correct.
flaming canvas
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Robin,
That's what you get for living in a socialist country.
BTW, I wore out the flint you sent me.
Roger
That's what you get for living in a socialist country.
BTW, I wore out the flint you sent me.
Roger
robinghewitt
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Hi Roger
But you weren't calling yourself Flaming Canvas back then :: Given enough time I will find out who you are :: :: ::
best regards
Squire Hewitt
GHH
I may have read the information incorrectly, but I read that in Missouri the laws make it rather hard to get a handgun.
For this reason, the old Cap and Ball pistol (which has few restrictions) is used by quite a few people in that state for Home Defense.
Is there any truth to this?
As for the suitability of the C&B for defense, often just the sight of a loaded handgun pointed at them is enough to drive off intruders or assailants. I personally know of 3 cases where the law wasn't called because the assailant prized his health and left unmolested.
Also, with a C&B if one chamber missfires, you have 4 more to go before you have to use it as a club.
When all is said and done though, I do like the sound of a 12 gauge Rem 870 getting ready for action. It has such a neat ca-chunk, ca-thunk sound! Something that's hard to mistake for anything else, once you've heard it. Just the sound also seems to have more authority than the little click-click my .45 ACP makes when being cocked. ::
Why, if I was illegally in someone elses home and I heard a ca-chunk, ca-thunk sound, my feet wouldn't even wait for my brain to figure out what it was. They would be moving as fast as they could towards the outside and down the road!!
For this reason, the old Cap and Ball pistol (which has few restrictions) is used by quite a few people in that state for Home Defense.
Is there any truth to this?
As for the suitability of the C&B for defense, often just the sight of a loaded handgun pointed at them is enough to drive off intruders or assailants. I personally know of 3 cases where the law wasn't called because the assailant prized his health and left unmolested.
Also, with a C&B if one chamber missfires, you have 4 more to go before you have to use it as a club.
When all is said and done though, I do like the sound of a 12 gauge Rem 870 getting ready for action. It has such a neat ca-chunk, ca-thunk sound! Something that's hard to mistake for anything else, once you've heard it. Just the sound also seems to have more authority than the little click-click my .45 ACP makes when being cocked. ::
Why, if I was illegally in someone elses home and I heard a ca-chunk, ca-thunk sound, my feet wouldn't even wait for my brain to figure out what it was. They would be moving as fast as they could towards the outside and down the road!!
to all i am sorry, but when i said pistol i guess i ment
handgun, because what i am talking about is the traditions
inline pistol which i just purchased and have fired approx.
30 times without fail. i currently have it loaded with
60 grs 3fff with a 240HP/XTP. this is a .50cal. maybe i should have posted at the in-line forum. again i am sorry
if on the wrong forum.
snake-eyes
handgun, because what i am talking about is the traditions
inline pistol which i just purchased and have fired approx.
30 times without fail. i currently have it loaded with
60 grs 3fff with a 240HP/XTP. this is a .50cal. maybe i should have posted at the in-line forum. again i am sorry
if on the wrong forum.
snake-eyes
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Now THAT'S a SMOKER of a load for a handgun!
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I doubt there has been a bad guy invented that could absorb that load and do you any harm!
Heck man that'd take down a large bear!
You don't fool around do ya? And I agree with your powerful choice.
Rememeber in a defesive situation you're not supposed to shoot someone a little ibt.
When I was in S.W.A.T. our motto was...
"hollow points, when you care enough to send the very best!"
Heck man that'd take down a large bear!
You don't fool around do ya? And I agree with your powerful choice.
Rememeber in a defesive situation you're not supposed to shoot someone a little ibt.
When I was in S.W.A.T. our motto was...
"hollow points, when you care enough to send the very best!"
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And just for the record, if all I had was my peitta '58 Rem. clone loaded with 35 grains of 777 and roundball i would not feel undergunned.
Another serious thought. YOU are the weapon, your arms are merely tools.
Another serious thought. YOU are the weapon, your arms are merely tools.
I hate to go down this road, but as Claude has already been here, and Maxiball (one among us who has probably fired a pistol on another human in a tactical situation) I'll throw in my 2
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Yeh, Stumpy, you got it nailed down alright.
When the authorities arrive it's well advised to have the only story being told YOUR story! Yes it's cold, harsh, but practicle.
After all, we are talking about a DEFESNSIVE situation, likely in your own home.
Should that aweful thing ever happen to me, I'm not warning anyone of anything. That's tatically foolish.
Now move down to the General interest column for a real true to life story.
When the authorities arrive it's well advised to have the only story being told YOUR story! Yes it's cold, harsh, but practicle.
After all, we are talking about a DEFESNSIVE situation, likely in your own home.
Should that aweful thing ever happen to me, I'm not warning anyone of anything. That's tatically foolish.
Now move down to the General interest column for a real true to life story.
