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Bubba45

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How does everybody store their surplus black powder ?

Have any of you built a storage magazine ?

I buy my powder by the case and have been leaving it in its shipping box but would feel better having that in something more secure but explosion proof. I've thought of maybe an old refridgerator and lining it with wood and adding a vent .

What thought have you all ?
 
Well, I store mine in a couple old wooden ammo crates that I've added locks to. I store my modern ammo in those same boxes. They're in my closet with my other hunting stuff.
 
I use one of these.

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Nearest I can tell at least 24 cans. I'm thinking seriously of filling one up and burying it out back for safe keeping the way things are going.
 
Huh! ..........imagine that :grin: :grin: Dont forget some desicant packs :wink:
 
This is (or can be) a touchy subject for many.

I think it is AS important "where" you store it as it is "how" you store it. I store mine in the garage in the unopened original containers, away from any potential heat source (electrical or furnace/water heater) away from any typically occupied portion of the house. If I have room in an original shipping container/box, I use that. I figure any metal container, in the event of an explosion, would turn into a bunch of shrapnel. I don't know that most of us could afford an "explosion proof" method of containment. Even an old refrigerator, buried under three feet of dirt, is going to dig you a new basement if it contains 25# of BP and goes boom, and keeping it bone dry could be a problem (especially this year). There are storage "bunkers" available commercially for powder storage. They have wheels on them and a place for the fire department to hook on to it and pull it out of your garage in the event of a fire. I don't know that I have the "right" answer or if anybody does. I'm listening for a better one for me.

Not that you shouldn't take precautions and use common sense in where and how you store BP, but I think many are more afraid of it than is necessary. Think about this - Where do you store your car when you aren't driving it? In the attached garage with a less than full tank? Aren't you afraid it might blow up? What about all your other gas powered tools and the fuel to power them?
 
I basically just store mine in the original cans on shelves in the garage. I keep a few cans in the house for grabbing to go shooting. I'm hesitant to put it in any form of container unless I could find something that was fire proof. I figure if there was a fire and it lit off, it's better just rupturing the soft metal cans, than it would be in confinement. Black powder can really make a big bang if you confine it.
 
ACtually, putting the powder in any box in the ground will direct the explosive force upwards. If you were to use an old refrigerator, or freezer, with the door or lid on top, the top blows off, while the sides, back, and bottom are supported by surrounding dirt. Refrigerators and freezers have either insulation between the inner and outer case, or just air space. You can add foam spray styrofoam to put solid insulation in these walls. This will give it a better fire rating, and delay the time it takes to heat the powder up high enough to ignite.

Drainage for a box in the ground is handled like a septic tank, you put gravel under the box a foot deet, and then have drain tiles that take ground water away from the box to a lower elevation in the yard. Sometimes, a mound of dirt has to be built first, and then the " bunker " put inside the mound, which acts as its own insulator to keep the powder cool in the summer and warmer in the winter. An old, Coleman, metal ice chest makes a good storage box for powder, as it already has a lid, its insulated, you can easily add a better clasp and lock, and it can be put in a hole in the ground, or in a bunker above ground to keep the powder dry, and cool. Today, you would be nuts not to put the cans of powder in plastic bags to help keep moisture and rain out of and away from the cans. 3 or 4 cans in a 2-quarter zip lock baggie, and then put the entire shipment in a plastic garbage bag will both protect the cans from water, but also add some trapped air to act as an additional insulator, inside the box. As long as the whole box is shaded from direct sunlight, ( use a larger than box size cover on top of the box, leaving a few inches of air space between the cover and the lid, supporting the cover with cross sticks of 2xs,) you should have no problem ever with the powder getting hot.

If you use the garbage theory of security, making your cache look like just some more garbage, most thieves will never look through the cover stuff to find the valuables.
 
Any cool dry place. I keep my in a steel gun safe. And what powder I am using I keep in a locked storage box with all my collection of muzzleloader junk that I take to the range. And I keep it in my garage, It's cool and dry.
 
Out of interest, we have to store our blackpowder in a specially constructed wooden box. It has dividers between each compartment (to reduce transmision between containers) and a loose internal lid. The wood dimensions are very specific and no screws are allowed go through to the inside. The powder is stored in it's original container.
Our Health and Safety executive have approved this box for storage after many hours of lighting fires under boxes of powder to see how long they resist the heat ........sounds like a fun job!!
There's a pic of the box at http://www.black-powder.co.uk/woodenbox.pdf
 
...just out of curiosity are there any rules as to where you are allowed to store the box on your premises???
 
No - just as long as you lock it up somewhere. The idea is that if there is a fire in your house you can pick it up on your way out of the house. Fireman dont like hoseing down houses with explosives in - they'd rather stand back down the street and let your house blow up which it surely will if you've got this stuff in any metal container
 
I know some locales have stricter regulations, but if I remember right, the BATFE doesn't require an approved magazine for storing up to 50# of black powder. It makes my wife nervous, so I store my powder in an outbuilding away from the house, except for what is in my horns or when reloading for BPC guns.
 
I begin to wonder about people these days, based on comments like this. Have none of you ever seen or heard of a " bung"? That is the wooden plug that is put into the wooden barrel in which beer and some wines are placed. It acts as a pressure release valve should the pressure inside the cask builds up too much.

The same thing can be done with any metal container used to store powder. If you bury the container at, or below ground level, any explosion will be directed upward, where it poses very little harm to man or property. ( That is why you carry your rifle with the muzzle pointed up, around people, no?) Powder stored in the metal cans that its sold in pose no particular danger of exploding, since the soldered seam is the " pressure release system " designed into the can. If you put an insulated cover over the storage container, whatever its made from, the container is not going to get hot enough to ignite the powder in the cans below. HEAT RISES! That means it rises above the ground, too. Use a wood pallet, but fill it with styrofoam for better insulation, and then put a thin metal cover on top of the pallet, to cover your powder container in the ground. YOu can stack " stuff " on it to deter anyone from digging down to it, for security. Let the metal plate get rusty. That will really deter others from thinking there is anything under it of value, as they won't want to get their hands dirty lifting it. If someone tries, and finds it screwed to something heavier underneath, they will give up.

If you drill a large hole(s) in the top of the container, and then plug it with a wooden plug( or cork), you have your safety valve to let gases escape upward, and safely, rather than sideways where they might ignite more powder. Do put some baffles in the storage box. Any wood will serve as an insulator from heat, and delay the spread of any fire. There are fire proofing compounds that can be " painted " on the wood baffles to supply even more protection. Finally, there is a foam spray now available to can be strayed to the inside and underside of you cover, both the interior and the exterior, which melts into water when heated hot enough, and that can also prevent the powder from igniting. The evaporation of the water tends to cool fire, and also cools down whatever the water is on.

If the firefighters won't water down your powder magazine, use a garden hose, or bucket of water to water it down. If its outside your house, you should be able to get to it even if your house is burning. A friend of mine put a small storage shed, where he keeps his lawn mower, and garden tools on top of his " powder magazine". The shed is held to the ground with long screws, similar to the kind of thing sold for tying a dog leash to. Short of a tornado, the shed is not moving. It gets very hot in the shed in summers, but his magazine stays cool below. He parks the lawn mower on the metal cover, so it looks like that is why the cover is on the ground inside the shed in the first place. Give a crook a rational explanation for why something is in a particular place, and he rarely is going to look further. My friend has a lock, of course, on the shed. And there is another lock on the lid of the powder magazine.
 
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