i had a chance at a small 4pt at 30 yrds with my .54 but passed it up, but my wife however shot her first buck.its a fine 8pt wt and even though she used a modern rifle im very proud of her just the same.it was a 1 shot kill and she did all the planning by herself.i have 2 small daughters and hope one day they want to hunt but judging by the looks on their faces at cleaning time it might be awhile