Swiss Powder Sources

[Cpl. Ashencheeks]

I was wondering if anyone knows any California sources for Swiss Powder?

It seems that with mail order only large amounts can be purchased.

I only need a single can of 2fg.

Any opinions on this kind of powder, because I keep hearing good things about it and would like to try it.

 

[Patocazador]

It's senseless to order one can due to the HazMat fee. Graf's will sell you as little as you want but the fee makes it cost prohibitive until you get 4 or 5 cans. You can mix in smokeless powder too but you will shoot all the black powder before you die so don't hold back.

 

[rodwha]

Goex makes Olde Eynsford to compete with Swiss powder. It gives similar velocities in chronographed results.

I, too, was looking for Swiss, but when I found this (Grafs) it was precisely what I was looking for and cheaper.

 

[Flintlock]

Is Swiss powder full of holes, ya.

 

[meanmike8665]

Where in California do you live?
Michael

 

[Cpl. Ashencheeks]

Southern California.

If I recall correctly, my local shop once said they had the Olde Eynsford in their trunk which was a little more expensive than Goex, I will have to check it out.

My reason for interest in Swiss powder is because I have heard it has better ignition than other black powders in a fire channel and that it burns cleaner compared to the cheaper brands of BP.

 

[meanmike8665]

Thanks, I have some I don't use, to bad we don't live closer.
Michael

 

[Gene L]

Nothing wrong with Goex. Although I haven't tried Swiss which may be a LOT better than Goex, but I doubt it.

IIRC, the first BP I owned was Dupont...does that sound right? This was about 1970 or thereabouts.

If you have to order it, get a few pounds and if you have a flintlock, get a pound of 4F for priming. Yes, 3F works just fine, but why not go for four?

 

[rodwha]

I've not used standard Goex as its no where near as powerful, but I've read many who have and claim that Olde E and Swiss leave less fouling. I've yet to read of anyone unhappy with anything other than the price of Swiss.

Grafs used to sell Olde E at $1 more per pound over standard Goex. They've upped their price a little but I think it's less than $2 additional.

 

[azmntman]

Frank hates it. I would love to try it but Goex works so I aint changin it (in flinters anyway). 777 has worked flawlessly for me in cappers and will be opening a can of blk MZ now that I see what "local" prices for 2f were last weekend!

 

[FishDFly]

I've not used standard Goex as its no where near as powerful, but I've read many who have and claim that Olde E and Swiss leave less fouling. I've yet to read of anyone unhappy with anything other than the price of Swiss.



Please define "as it's no where near as "POWEFUL".

Goex is the preferred powder in Friendship and Phoenix and the TMLRA shoot in Texas 3 times a year.

The Lady from Swiss was at the Texas June shoot passing our free powder, where your you?

 

[rodwha]

All you have to do is look at the plethora of chronographed results that show X volume of standard Goex will be much slower than Swiss, Olde Eynsford by Goex (made to compete with this performance that is sought after), and Triple 7 substitute.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LP_dwo2nThA

As you see in this test comparing standard Goex to T7 that even reduced ~15% T7 is much more powerful and outperforms standard .45 Colt loads whereas the weaker standard Goex can't even break .38 Spl +P loads.

This may not mean as much in a muzzleloader but it certainly means quite a bit from the capacity restrictions of a revolver.

 

[rodwha]

I would venture to guess its the preffered powder because it's cheaper, it's been around a very long time whereas the others have not, and match shooters don't like changing variables. Not to mention it is more prevalent and therefor easier to find (outside of online ordering).

Not one person I've read a comment from has every used Swiss or Olde E and not preffered it, especially since it fouls less according to them. I've not wasted my time messing with anything weak other than the Pyrodex my father gave me when I got my ROA.

 

[meanmike8665]

I know the woman who won the 2015 Western National expert class 1000 point agg uses Swiss 3f. I also know Swiss powder is a fine powder, there is nothing wrong we Goex. I have a couple of guns that don' t shoot as well with Swiss, but what do these rants have to do with to first question?
Michael

 

[azmntman]

I would venture to guess its the preffered powder because it's cheaper, it's been around a very long time whereas the others have not, and match shooters don't like changing variables. Not to mention it is more prevalent and therefor easier to find (outside of online ordering).

Not one person I've read a comment from has every used Swiss or Olde E and not preffered it, especially since it fouls less according to them. I've not wasted my time messing with anything weak other than the Pyrodex my father gave me when I got my ROA.

I believe it was Rifleman that stated he tried and HATED it? If I'M wrong on that forgive me Riflemen. I would still try it.

 

[rodwha]

@Rifleman: If this is so I'd be interested to know what it was that you didn't care for.

As an aside I'd think those with small bore hunting rifles might like a real BP that wasn't as fouling.

 

[nkbj]

I'm a Jacks Battle man.
Smells better and leaves less on the brush.
:shocked2:

 

[rodwha]

Will you be trying Olde Eynsford?