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Hello there all,
I realize that this flintlock ain`t the most traditional, but I am interested in one either way. Is there anyone here that has any sort of experience with one of these.
I kinda fancy the SST one as I figure it would be a nice additon to my `cough, cough,TC Encore SST cough.........
Anyways, I reallly appreciate any input,

Jamie :)
 
I have one. It is very fast and it digests just about anything. Although some things better than others. You will probably get a lot of guff here, however. I did!
 
No offense to ebiggs because I've never had one and maybe he's figured his out better than I was able, but I've shot a few other guys' Firestorms and hated them. First of all, well, they're ugly. Secondly, I could never get very consistent, reliable ignition with them.

I mean no offense to anyone that has one, has had good experiences with it and likes them. As I said, I've never owned one so I'm just giving my personal observations after shooting them two different rifles 15 or 20 times.
 
One of the "Improvements" in the Firestorm is the cone at the back of the barrel, that is suppose to make it ignite Pyrodex pellets Faster. The Problem with the flint lock version is that the touch hole comes into the barrel next to the base of this internal cone, and the cone interferes with igniting the main charge when loose powder is used. When pellets are used, ignition is often very slow- altho many owners don't notice that fact because they don't have a frame of reference to what speed a good, tuned flintlock will fire. Too many new shooters base all their " education" about flintlocks on watching lots of Hollywood Movies. Some long time shooters actually believe that a flintlock should be slow to fire!

If that cone can be ground off in the flintlock versions of the gun, it would make that gun an excellent "buy". Otherwise, there is a steep learning curve the buyer has to climb to learn how to clean his gun between shots, and how to load the powder charge in the barrel to insure reliable and fast ignition.

Mr. Biggs is not the only, nor the first member here who owns the gun, and its been discussed, with pictures, in the past. Do a search for the topic but go back at least 2 years to find the information.

The reason some members give people like Mr. Biggs a bit of grief about the gun is that it certainly does not look like a "traditional " sidelock rifle, and this is a "TRADITIONAL MUZZLELOADING" site. that being said, its at least a flintlock, and some of us are quite willing to talk to new folks about the guns.

I am a bit of old school, and I prefer stocks made of wood over stocks made of synthetic materials. I preferred browned steel to Blued, and both to Stainless Steel. I shoot flintlocks, because I want to accept the challenge of learning to fire these old styled guns, WELL, and have the Added Satisfaction of taking game with such a gun. I have and have hunted successfully with percussion rifles, and shotguns, as well as with center fire rifles, and shotguns. I enjoy them all. However, taking game with my flintlocks is just something extra special.

I believe the majority of the members here share my sentiment, as there are many other gun forums on the net to discuss other guns. However, most of us were not born with a TRADITIONAL flintlock in our hands, and that means that most of us came to flintlocks the long way. If you join us, I think one of the other rewards you will find is whenever you shoot a traditional flintlock at a public range, or a club that permits all kinds of rifles to be fired from the same line, the reaction of NON- flintlock shooters to you shooting such a rifle- often more accurately than they can shoot with their black rifles-- Is PRICELESS! :hatsoff:
 
I too have a Firestorm flinter. It shoots well. I have not had any ignition problems using 4fg in the pan, and thats stuffing it with black powder or triple 7 pellets. I have traditional flinters too that shoot well if not better. I like hunting and shooting with all my guns, center and rimfires included. You can get lots of information here and then use it, tweak it or chuck it depending upon your situation.
 
Possibly I need to qualify my first post. I have never shot a pellet in my Firestorm so I can’t say, “it will digest anything” with any authority. I imagine it would, however. I only shoot loose powder and it works very quickly. I let people that I am trying to convert to flintlocks shoot the Firestorm because it is so fast. The normal comment is, “I couldn’t tell any difference between this and my cap lock.” I don’t recommend it and I don’t trash it. This is my experience with one. It is what it is.
 
Jamie

I have had a flint SS Firestorm for a number of years and treat it as a hunting tool and not a work of art. The head count is seven deer to date. Hunt on a lease in SC that is just plain nasty on gun finishes (along with coats, pants, gloves and boots) because of the briars, vines, blackberries and underbrush. Love the gun because you can not do anything to it to mess it up or make it uglier.

Paul is correct about the breech plug having a cone on the face and initially I was concerned about it, but this is the first I have heard of someone actually having a problem with it. I have made a second breech plug without the cone and can not tell any difference between the two in how the gun shoots in my hunting or range situations. I guess the cone could be a problem as Paul has experienced - maybe in a long shooting session - but I typically shoot no more than 15 to 20 rounds while at the range and have had no cleaning or firing issues related to the breech plug.

As far as shooting performance, the thing loves conicals and PRBs. Never tried pellets. Tried Triple 7 with interesting results. When placed over a helper charge of BP fired with at best a perceived delay, but it fired. On one occasion the BP actually launched the T-7 and RB out of the barrel without igniting the T-7. Not sure what this would be called, maybe failure to launch? Only way I could get T-7 to work without a delay was to pre-mix with BP (1 to 3 BP to T-7 mix) and then place that over the helper charge of BP. What a PIA and would not expect approval from any Hodgdon lawyer. Still have the T-7 ”“ might find a use for it on the 4th of July.

Was given half dozen packs of Powerbelts a few years back and when loaded over 100 grains of Swiss had consistent 2 to 3 inch groups (and plenty of recoil). Used this load to take five deer over two seasons with five shots. Shot two deer late last season with PRBs, but will probably switch to Lee Modern Mini, which at least initially, seems to shoot very well. Down to my last few Powerbelts and have no intention of purchasing any more. Before the PRB crowd jumps on this, the area I am currently hunting requires a bushhog and quite possibly hip boots or canoe (beaver dams) to retrieve any deer that runs much over 20 yards before dropping and I want to be able to put a big hole through both shoulders if possible. One of the two deer I shot this year made it about 40 yards before stopping but never actually hit the ground ”“ the underbrush held it up as it expired at the edge of a beaver dam. Shot was through the chest taking off top of the heart and breaking the far shoulder.

Not your great-great-great grandfather’s flinter, but hey”¦
 
I stongly agree with Paul, the big problem with the Firestorm (aside from estetics) is that infernal "coned" breachplug. I have taken many Firestorms in in trade (from long time hunters and competators alike) in favor of a more reliable rifle.

Toomuch
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Shoot Flint
 
Never experienced anything like that. I always get very fast reliable ignition from the Firestorm, but then I only use Goex 2f for the main charge and I have done a pretty extensive tune-up on the lock. As long as you ignore the marketing hype, avoid alternative powders and treat it like a flintlock the Firestorm is an extremely rugged, reliable hunting tool and would be a great entry point into flintlocks. Even though it is not HC/PC by any stretch of the imagination it will still infect you with “flintlock fever”.
 
I think the HC/PC guys let emotional detachment cloud subjective testing of the Firestorm. Because, certainly, if someone that knows as little as I did when starting out shooting flintlocks can make it work as quickly as it does, they should be able to duplicate it also.
 
ebiggs, I'm not one of the PC crowd that insists on historical accuracy. In fact, one of my favorite hunting rifles is an RMC Accusporter (basically a short Green Mountain barrel and L&R lock in a modern laminated carbine style stock).

That said, my limited experience with the Firestorm (and the experience of several close friends who have them or have experimented with them as I have) is that they are not very reliable or very fast if used unmodified.

Believe me, I'm not trying to be condescending or suggest that there's anything wrong with any flintlock rifle that works for you or for anyone else but I think an unbiased trial with the firestorm against many other commercial and/or custom flintlocks would lead most/all to believe that the Firestorm has some issues. If I was starting out and I happened to get a Firestorm as a gift or something, I'd use the heck out of it, make what modifications I could and enjoy it. If I was in the market for a new rifle and had X number of dollars to spend, I'd find a few other options.

Sometimes guys on this and other boards CAN be too tough on newbies to the sport but the fact is that sometimes guys ask questions because they don't have a lot of experience themselves and don't want to get burnt. Plenty of guys on this site have learned their lessons through the school of hard knocks and I believe that most offer advice and comments with the intent of helping newbies. My comments are surely intended to help someone that's considering the Firestorm but not intended to badmouth present owners or the rifle itself. TC certainly makes a good product overall.
 
Amen to you sir. You are singing my song. I could not have said it better, If you have to explain it they wouldn't understand it. Someone once told me when you touch wood it touches you back. Try using a plastic handeled paintbrush, screwdriver, hammer it ain't the same.
 
Guys I really appreciate all your opinions and input or experiences you have with the Firestorm.
I of course, am still weighing my options as I also saw a full wood Hawken in .54 that a guy was selling. I should point out that I do own 3 other percussion sidelocks so I am not entirely a newbie. But seriously newbie to flintlocks.
I also had the chance at a TC Hawken and Lyman GPR flintlock....so I`m really just getting as much info on certain ones for now.
Thanks again :)
 
I have been shooting a TC Firestorm for a few years now. Never had a problem with ignition, I use 2F goex in the barrell(60-70 grains). With 4F in the pan(about half full)and PRB with a prelubed TC pillowtick patch gives me excellent accuracy. Also have used TC's 350 grain Maxihunters(remember no patch) with 90 grains of 2F with good results also. All in all it's been an excellent rifle to learn on.
 
I have never seen one of the Firestorms but if I remember correctly they have a removeable pointed breech plug. I would think keeping the breech area swabbed out clean and dry would be difficult unless there was a jag supplied to do that. If not kept clean and dry I would think ignition would be inconsistant.

Maybe the pointed part of the plug could be milled flat and still be safe. I think that would provide for more consistant ignition of loose black powder.
 
The breech plug is removable so it is easy to keep clean. My Firestorm is very fast and has not misfired yet. But that is a relative point since I have shot over a thousand shots this winter, in all my flintlocks, and probably have 10 misfires total. Everyone that I have let shoot it claims they can tell no difference from their cap locks
I have an extra breech plug that I could remove the cone and see if it makes any difference but I can’t see why as it works well the way it is. The flash hole is a .070 and is only 1/8th inch from pan to powder. I don’t know if the cone is a gimmick or not but the gun will set off subs, albeit slower than real BP, as advertised. I have not tried pellets.
But I only use 4f BP in the pan. (I only use 4f BP in everything) I haven’t shot it much lately because I am learning my new Lyman GPR. Now talk about a contrast!
 
The problem with the Firestorm is the cost. I can buy a kit for the same price and have a more authentic Hawken with better parts and a much better barrel like a DeHauss.
 
I doubt seriously you could beat the price I got my Firestorm for in any desirable kit. But you are correct sir, authenticity is a bust for the Firestorm. I got mine from our local Cabela’s on a close out plus I had a store coupon for more off. I think I got it for $250. Our Cabela’s has gotten rid of all their side locks, period! All were discounted. They even had a left handed Lyman flint at a good discount. I’m not a lefty though.
I asked if they were going to get more and the guy didn’t seem to know.
 
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