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One of the things that really attracted me to muzzleloading way back in the 1970s was the myriad opportunities to make my own stuff.
I liked to tinker and still do, but my hopes for the quality of the product always far exceeded my skills in making it. So, I have had a lot of fun and frustration over the years, and generally ended up pretty disappointed with my own creations. You would think, then, that after about 40 years of doing this I would have learned to give it up as a bad job.

YOU WOULD BE WRONG!

I have learned some things, however. As the seriousness of those devoted to muzzleloading and the associated periods and their material culture has yielded a far more authentic understanding of that culture, the bar has been raised for all. It has been a good thing, if a bit hard for some to swallow.
When a guy shows up now dressed in spotless gold chrome-tanned deerskins with a Thompson Center "Hawken", a possibles bag bristling with ball blocks and short starters, a raccoon hat and photosensitive bifocals, he kinda stands out.
Forty years ago, he would have blended in completely.
Yet, there's a part of me that feels sorry for the lost innocence of those early years of the buckskinning fad that some say has faded. (I think it has morphed.) The Scurlock series of Books of Buckskinning sent thousands of us to our craft benches making stuff we thought was historically inspired, even though it turns out it wasn't. Truth, history and better research rained on a lot of our parades; as a result, many gave up and quit.
I don't know what brought this meditation upon me. Maybe it was the article in this month's "Muzzleloader" on master horners Scott and Cathy Sibley, talking about the "naive sense of creativity that pervaded the [early buckskinning] movement," ... a "creative frenzy that had very little to do with the 18th or 19th century."
I felt that frenzy too, and I will bet that many other of the older members here did as well.
I guess, as in so many things in the bittersweet rhythm of a human life, the excesses of our youth are replaced by the more sober reflections of the wisdom that comes with age. Buckskinning has grown up too. History is better served by this, but sometimes I think our inner children were left behind.
I'm posting this here in the Craftsmen forum because this is where the "spirit of making our own stuff" still dwells.
 
Absolutely, Bill...thanks for sharing the thought. In my mind's eye I can see a lot of us looking like a cross between Woodstock and the Alamo! We have lost a lot of the "fun" that used to be in the sport. maybe we should start a "my outfit was tackier than yours, because" thread...with photos! :rotf:
 
BillinOregon said:
... "a creative frenzy that had very little to do with the 18th or 19th century."
I felt that frenzy too, and I will bet that many other of the older members here did as well.
Bill,
As discussions on this site (and others) show, this "creative frenzy having very little to do with the 18th or 19th century" is alive and well. Too many modern items are "created" to fill an imaginary need, that did not exist during the period of interest.

Personally, I'd like to see the same effort put forth to re-create actual items that were available...
 
It was the "make it yourself" thing that got me interested in buckskinning in the first place and I am still at many, many years later. When I first got started it was the only way I could afford to go.If I did not make my own stuff and extra to sell to cover my costs I could not go to the next rendezvous. Now I just go and have fun. If I sell enough to cover the cost so good, if not I go to the next anyway. :idunno:
 
I don't go to reenactments or rondys, and I hunt alone. Thus pretty much no one else sees my stuff.

I started out in the 70's as a lot of people did, absolutely with the 'creative spirit' of the times. In the last couple years, after finding this site, I made an effort to be more historically correct. But I actually found that in reality I am not particularly concerned with being historically correct, and don't really enjoy trying to be. I find it a lot more fun to be 'historically imaginative'.

Of course I would never defend my stuff by trying to somehow stretch interpretation of historical documentation to justify my stuff. My stuff is not historically correct. It's more 'old timey' looking, I make what I find fun to make, in a material and design I want to. To me, that's a whole lot more fun than researching what was actually done and trying to duplicate it. If someone else likes to do that, great! I have no problem with that.

Since I never claim my stuff is, or near, historically correct, my opinion is that if someone finds my stuff annoying because its not HC, then they shouldn't follow me around when I'm hunting, and we'll both be happier! :blah:
 
The make it yourself mentality of growing up on a hillside farm in rural Appalachia is what got me into metal working and blacksmithing. I actually started out as a wood worker in our shop(we made furniture/bark bottom chairs). Metal always seemed to call my name. Even though I occasionally suffer burnout I just cant seem to give it up..I get to much satisfaction in making my own stuff..I have a patch knife tempering right now :haha:
 
I wish I had your way with words, very well spoken.

But they don't leave a lot of room in them for new folks who are just finding their way. I for one am not real fond of "if your not doing it this way, you are doing it wrong". After all, I'm doing the best I can with what I have, just like they did 300 years ago, I'm sure.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic, just giving a different perspective.

For the record, I will probably never have a persona, and never try to emulate a certain period. I have two flintlocks currently, and one waiting to be built(momma's pulling for a new kitchen first, and she may just win). That being said, I've had a blast making some of my own simple gear, posted pics of it just a few days ago, perhaps this is the reason for this post. Again, I'm just doing the best I can with what I have, and enjoying myself thus far.

I will say this. I have learned more from this site and the way of traditional arms than anything else in a relatively short time.

About 4 years ago, I had a nerve flareup in my neck from a previous injury. It subsided but left me with weakness in my arms. There was no way I could use my traditional bowhunting gear. I traded into a T/C Renegade and gave bp a whirl. I was hooked and dug deeper. Before too long I got into smoothbores, and eventually flintlocks. Last year for Christmas I was blessed with my first rifle kit. For me that took guts. 10 months and about 130 hours later, she was almost completed. In fact I just finished it on Wednesday, with a beautiful doe that we just had for dinner tonight. I learned so much from my first build. I thought it only appropriate to compliment it with accoutrements made with items on hand.

As you can see, this is a journey. I've come along way in these last few years. Who knows where I'll end up, as long as its out in the woods, I'm good.

I think you have to allow folks the flexibility to grow. I'd be willing to bet that not one in a hundred guys today getting into "muzzleloading" are doing it with a traditional gun.
 
Silly Goose, please accept my apology if you thought your gear post was what put my mind in this vein. It was not.
I am struggling to make a decent pair of botas just now, follwing directions from LaBonte and the "Mountain Man Sketch Book." As I sat with the leather in my lap and the harness needles in my hands, I got to thinking how much I enjoy doing this sort of thing -- and how the finished article always looks so much better in my mind's eye than the actual project ends up. while I have gotten a number of things "right" with these botas, I realize I prejudiced my chances from the get-go by making do with the leather at hand, which really was either too stiff and the wrong kind of tan, or too thick to give the right "drape."
So I found myself replaying the same old scene: just make it and do the best I can, or wait patiently to do the research, gather the proper materials and get it right the first time.
I have done this over and over in this avocation, so it weighs on me some.
Oh well, there's always a project to "get right" after I finish the botas, eh?

:wink:
 
:grin: Your gonna laugh now, I don't even know what botas are?

Maybe this will work for you, maybe not. I use to cripple my projects by being too critical. It took me a long time to look at something I did, and finally say "wow, that's not too bad". I always knew where the screw ups were and my eye always went right to them. I didn't listen when my wife would say "you can't even see it". I knew it was there, and it killed me.

Now I'm not saying that the "good enough" attitude is where its at, I'm saying do the best you can, step back and look, it may not be that bad afterall.

I knew when I started my gun, it wasn't going to be perfect. I did the best I could, made some mistakes, learned how to fix them, and I have a rifle I can live with. Not perfect by any stretch, and I can tell you its one of a kind, its mine. :grin: Thats the same thing, though. I've shown my rifle to a few folks and they give compliments. I know whats wrong with it, they can't see it, because they don't know what they are looking for, probably the first flintlock they've ever seen close up.

So, whats a botas? :wink:
 
Working with my hands every day makes it only reasonable to create my own gear, started with the rifles, moved on to all of the parts and pieces, built my own set of blaze orange leathers, gonna fix them soon though.

While I tend to make things then research if they are correct or not, it is starting to sink in, making stuff for the family allows for multiple attempts to get it closer to correct.

Trying to not get hung up on the details, don't pick on other folks gear or rifles, have no interest in counting threads but have the utmost respect for those that do, really did enjoy history in school.

If I do have a hang up its gonna be based on rifles/architecture, I have no problems pointing out poor architecture to an individual trying to pass off a poorly built rifle as being representative of quality beynd its ability, done correctly they are a beauty to behold, done poorly is, done poorly. But then again not all of the originals were works of art, a few of them are down right fugly.

Not sure about the personna thing or specific time frames at least not yet, its a lot to keep up with.
 
Bill i understand what you mean, either because of lack of patience or reluctance to fork out more money i repeat the same as you described but as i have said before not everybody in any point in time has been the gifted craftsman and out of nessesity made his gear with what he had to the best of his ability, yeah its weak, but it helps me sleep at night. I am fotunate i guess in that the local group here are mostly tradesmen who dont have alot of disposable income so they aint gonna pull yer gear apart to do a stich count or bust yer chops over your reproduction gun and while i fully understand how someone who went out on limb to look exactly like Daniel Boone might resent cuttin the guy in painters pants a little slack at some point ya gotta ask do we want it to die in this generation to keep it 100% hc/pc?? not posing this to you Bill, just in general cause fear of not being 100% kept me from meeting with the locals for over a year, i just plain can't afford it, but when i finaly went to a shoot all my fears were set aside. i still want to be accurate but now i know i dont have to show up lookin like i just stepped out of the 1700's.
sorry for straying just reading the thread brought it to mind and after reading many threads expressing concerns the future of the hobby thought i would leave it for what its worth, which aint much i am sure.

creek
 
I grew up in a family that made what they could, and only bought if they could not. That principle has held with me,so, I make most of my muzzleloading related gear. I just plain like making things...to the extent that my 'bucket list' is things I want to make, not places to go. The early rondevous scene was too American TV accurate to me after having been to events in the UK, where period accuracy was beyond nit picking, but was accurate.
 
I also started out in the '70's with buckskinning, had one of those awful Spanish flintlock that would only go off every 5th or 6th try and orange buckskins. Like others have said, I have matured with age. I have no objection to others who are not hc or pc in their gear - my standard only applies to me. I have discarded most of my non-pc/hc "stuff" and am enjoying the challenge of "trying to get right". I do not expect everyone around me to share the same "mental deficiency" and I am not going around picking nits at other folk's gear and camps. I encourage, offer gently worded opinions when asked, and just enjoy the research and creation process. I am fortunate enough to have learned blacksmithing some 30+ years ago from a patient grandfather, and having inherited a well stocked shop have abilities to create beyond most. That said, at age 56, I am beginning to suffer the slings and arrows of an active life. Last August, my right shoulder (my hammering shoulder) froze up - slightly torn rotator cuff, impingement sydrome, and arthritis and calcification all ganged up to stop me. Intensive therapy is helping, but it has humbled me and brought new production to a standstill. I hope to return to creating and building soon, but if not, I will try to aid young people interested in not only the fun of buckskinning, but in genuine "experimental archeology" in gaining skills necessary to recreate life. Do people have to have perfection in gear, equipment, and attitude? Heavens no! It is on a sliding scale, as is life. Be kind to those you meet - you know not the burden they carry. Some random thoughts from the squirrels who juggle knives in my cranium! Take them for what they are worth!

I remain your humble servant,

Just Dave
 
I've made a lot of stuff that when I made it I thought it was pc then as I learned more I had to remake it and THEN as I learned even more, re-did a third or fourth or more times. BUT.......
As has been said- there is sort of a mystery that is unraveled in all of this and I find a lot of enjoyment in learning and redoing everything. Now a days, since I've made so many mistakes, I spend a lot more time researching things in the beginning. It is sort of incredible how often one misses little details.
 
Dave, wish i had some of those squirrels in my head!! well spoken, makes me wish i was a young man in your neck of the woods! i would bet you are the kind of mentor who transfers your passion to others without having to tube it down em.

Crocket, I can relate to that as well, my first instinct was to get a D.Boone face on coonskin cap, and i still might but it will be my huntin cap, i hunt alone and the squirrels aint gonna care what i wear.

creek
 
silly goose said:
:grin: Your gonna laugh now, I don't even know what botas are?

So, whats a botas? :wink:

Botas de alas - winged boots are the half leggings so often seen on Mexican/Californios, Metis, etc. Charlie Russell, the painter often called them breed leggings

lots of pics here https://www.google.com/search?q=Bo...2ElQX0zYC4Bg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=568

Botas were generally worn with moccasins but once they became stylish they were worn by many with boots

and I basic pattern I drew up - I use buckles and straps but ties are also PC/HC
http://www.wrtcleather.com/1-ckd/cowboy/botas.jpg
 
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Bill, you nailed it. Somewhere there is a picture of me in my all-borrowed first event outfit from '86. As near as I can tell the only thing "right" in it is that I am not naked and the dulcimer looks good.

I think the only way we can really learn is to try it, make it, use it and see what can be done better. I've made a lot of crap over the years,and some pretty decent stuff, but I hope I learned from all of it. Now I am trying to learn traditional tinsmithing and coopering. Each peice gets better.

Remember that old story they told us at camp about the Indian going down the row looking for the perfect ear of corn, and got to the end with no corn at all?

Sometimes I think folks who have been at this hobby since the beginning can adopt the "last one in lock the door" way of thinking.

We need folks to join up and try their hand at making things. Maybe we don't always make a museum quality peice, but if it is better than the last one and your skills and enjoyment grow also, good deal.

An old friend one time said that we are all at different points on the same path.

Anyway, rambling points. I am glad that there are events out there for folks at all levels of dedication to HC/PC. I think the main thing is to welcome new folks and get them excited. The rest will come.

Besides, if we don't they will all keep joining WWII units!

Rob
 
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