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A little bit of a survey. I am working on a Lancaster style (sort of Dickert/Haynes influence).
How many people brown their metal vs. just leaving it in the bright and letting time take its' course? Was it "normal" or the thing to do when the original guns were build that they were automaticly browned or blued?
 
I've asked myself the same question and have read everything I can on the subject, including Shumway on Colonial rifles and guidebooks by modern builders, especially Alexander. There are others here with vastly more knowledge than me, but my impression is that barrels were not necessarily browned or blued by American rifle makers - the documentation for it being done is well known, but that doesn't prove it was common - and that the barrel colour seen on original rifles today is mainly a function of age. My impression, and I may be wrong, is that the fashion for browning among modern makers came about mainly through an attempt to reproduce the appearance of original rifles as they look today (ie to create reproduction 'antiques'), and not necessarily as they looked when they were built. Added to that was the notion that a browned barrel is easier to maintain than a shiny barrel, and produces less glare less in the field.
This is just the impression of a relative newcomer to the field, though I think I'm recapitulating what others told me when I asked the same question. At any rate, I'm at the same stage as you and decided a while ago that I would polish and leave my lock and barrel to age naturally, as I wanted to make a rifle as if I were an original gunsmith and not make an 'antiqued' replica.
 
Don't brown it if you want it to be correct. Blued or left in the white is correct for 18th c. weapons.
 
I'd blue it and sand/polish it off... it's a little bit of work but it does look nice. On the Verner I finished, I rust browned it because I'm lazy.
 
Here's one that was cold blued, and then polished back a little with steel wool.
[url] http://photobucket.com/albums/y298/Packdog1/Mathew Gillespie/?sc=1[/url]
 
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Beautiful, very, very nice photos.... I have one that was "browned" I don't mind it and am leaving it that way, it's nothing fancy a kit gun but man oh man what a shooter it turned out to be! I hate the sights on it but for some reason I'm more accurate with that gun than any of them
 
Naval Jelly will remove the browning really easy if you decide to. I just did 2 Jack Garner guns for a friend, and I didn't even disassemble the locks.
 
I never thought of that, I haven't messed around with naval jelly in years. I'm going to leave that browned barrel gun just the way it is and shoot it lots. But I want to put one together. I have no pistol, I need a pistol and I'm thinkin of building one
 
The issue of an "in the white" barrel giving off too much glare becomes moot very quickly, as long as you don't polish it bright every time it starts getting a little dull. I've been able to keep track of two rifles that I built a few years back, both with "in the white" steel, and the metal on both is now a dull gray that looks better than browning, IMHO.
 
That's what I want to hear!

When you finished the barrels, how did you leave them - degreased or oiled?
 
This is charcoal blue.

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yep, wish that came in a bottle.
that finish is "almost like" the finish on my browning highpower that was made early 70's.
DEEP blue, black,looks like a mirror.
great job
 
Better send that rifle of yours to me so that I can get up close and personal with it. Looks good! I'll send you my address! :grin:

I am liking the different replies that I see here. I am leaning more towards the in-the-white approach and let the natural patina take its course.
 
Beautiful finish!

That's the trouble - blue, brown or in the white can all look great. That's the other perspective - ignore all the stuff that's been said and just go for what looks great to you. And since we know some rifles were browned and some blued, doubtless with many variations, then basically any of these techniques are correct and authentic (that's the trouble with 'PC' - slavish adherence to a creed which is usually never right, because it tends to deny the variability, unpredictability and sheer eccentricity of human endeavour. There - my bit of inscrutable campfire philosophy - now back to gun barrels!).
 
They were lightly oiled, as they are when the owners clean them -- but, during the building process, and now as they sit in their gun racks, they're mostly left exposed to the open air and allowed to basically tarnish. The trick to leaving them in the white is to do nothing, for the most part. It's a process of controlled negligence, in a sense, rather than a deliberate action on your part.
 
Here is some documentation that came up during a similar discussion on the Historic Trekking board. I make not analysis, just offer it up for your information.



Date: 01-27-06 08:28

How d' ye!

I will go first with a heresy...

That could be a long discussion, but in brief and to over generalize...

Advertisements in period newspapers from gunshops and gunsmiths first start listing browning as offered services in the 1780's.

Ad from the PENNSYLVANIA GAZETTE, May 2, 1781:

"Perkin and Coutty at the corner of Second and Spruce Streets, Philadelphia, beg leave to acquaint their Friends, and the Public in general that they carry on the Gun and Pistol making in all its branches, where gentlemen may be supplied with Guns and Pistols of the neatest and best quality, on the shortest notice and most reasonable terms. They also blue and brown Gun Barrels in the neatest manner..."


From AN ESSAY ON SHOOTING, published in London in 1789:

"The last operation [in making the barrel] is that of colouring the barrel,...Formerly, the barrels were coloured by exposing them to a degree of heat which produced an elegant blue tinge, but as this effect arises from a degree of calcination. [oxidation] taking place upon the surface of the metal, the inside of the barrel always suffered by undergoing the same change. This, therefore, added to the painful sensation excited in the eye by looking along a barrel so coloured, has caused the practice of bluing to be disused for some time past. Instead of it barrels are now browned, as it is termed..."

For "charcoal bluing:"

An ad from the VIRGINIA GAZETTE, August 8, 1751:

"David and William Geddy Smiths of Williamsburg, near the Church, having all Manner of Utensils requisite, carry on the Gunsmith's, Cutler's, and Founder's Trade, at whose Shop may be had the following Work, viz. Gun work, such as Guns and Pistol Stocks, plain or neatly varnished. Locks and Mountings, Barrels blued, bored, and rifled;..."

The process is well described in the P.N. Sprengel's 1771 HANDWERKE UND-KUNSTE IN TABELLEN:

"For further beautification, the barrel is treated to allow it to oxidize to a blue color,...The gunmaker can rub the barrel down with a sweet-oil cloth so the ash which he dusts through a linen cloth adheres to the barrel; he then lays the barrel onto glowing coals until it begins to turn blue. The best way to blue the barrel is, after polishing, to insert a glowing mandrel, which the tradesman calls a piston into the bore, and to rub the barrel with bloodstone as soon as it -begins to turn blue due to the heat of the piston."

French trade guns were sometimes specified as blue, and Hudson Bay did not specify brown until 1780.

The US Government went with bright arms until the M1816/22 Type II which was browned, but when the "Type III" came out a decade or so later they went back to bright which lasted up until the M1873 Trapdoor Springfield (except for the Model 1841 and Model 1855 Rifles [first type only] which had browned barrels).

Of course, having a barrel charcoal-blued was an added expense to be be considered and paid by a customer with the cheaper choice being left natural.
"Natural" iron barrels tend to "brown" on their own over time depending upon their use, exposure, and care. If left alone, over time, a steel (iron) barel or lock, etc., will take on a brown patina because it oxidizes. Some lads like the browned look, as it can give a gun a "used over time look"' (However, usually the finish and condition of the stock wood is much too "new" for the gun to have age/time/used brown...).

IMHO, much of our Hobby's on-going love of browned barrels and locks comes from looking at surviving originals with decades of brown patina having taken over their once blued, or natural metal, and for locks color-case hardened finishes and thinking they started out "browned." ;-)

Again, being very brief and over-generalizing.

Others' mileage may vary...
 
"And since we know some rifles were browned and some blued,"

Some were blued in the 18th c., and some were browned in the 19th c. It just depends on wheather it's more important to do what you want, or to do what is correct.

It's your choice.
 
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Ad from the PENNSYLVANIA GAZETTE, May 2, 1781:

"Perkin and Coutty at the corner of Second and Spruce Streets, Philadelphia,...terms. They also blue and brown Gun Barrels in the neatest manner..."

I knew the practice of Browning was done in Europe in the 18th Century but it is interesting to note that this ad was made in America 19 years before the turn of the 19th Century.
That would put it into Kindig's "Golden Age" of longrifles. :hmm:
 
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