Had a great time at the tradegun match today,Shot my Northstar West 58 today with a 70 gr 2F charge under a tow wad,575 ball in a spitted bed sheet material patch,I like an easy load,no short starters for me,shot birds with 70 grains and a measure and a half of #4 ,my shoulders are blown out ( not from the gun recoil)so hawk and knife hurt like heck,I came in 6 th out of 27 shooters ,so I was happy.