Traditions 1000 Lube

[1860 Army]

I used it to lube my 1860 Colt. Stored the pistol for 60 days in a corrosion preventing bag at temp around 75.
Took the pistol out and the action and ram rod were locked up. They freed with a little pressure. The lube seemed to harden.
Anyone else have this problem?

 

[FrontierMuzzleloading]

thats what happens with lubes that contain paraffin wax.

Its the same stuff as bore butter/wonder lube.

 

[coloradoclyde]

It is wonderlube.....They started marketing it under the Traditions brand.....


It is not intended to be used as a rust preventative.....

For storage clean your gun thoroughly and then soak it down with G96...

 

[1860 Army]

Do you recommend any usage of this lube?

 

[azmntman]

lotta folks that have yet to get the Dutch System use it as patch lube. And lotta folks use it over balls in a revolver. :idunno:

 

[Crewdawg445]

Junk lube... invest in a better quality protective oil or gease for sure. This stuff is intended to be used as a patch lube, even then it wouldn't touch my firearms.

I use nothing but ballistol for protection on my bores and metal surfaces. It also can be used for numerous other applications.

When I do events it's nothing but homemade fixin wax, rain, humidity you name it, even then I never once have encountered an issues with seizing of any moving parts.

Another important thing to remember, I do not see BP arms as a clean and forget firearm. That's rather a personal preference I guess. As much as the lube is important, your cleaning regime is just as important as well. :hatsoff:

 

[SgtErv]

At the fort where I volunteer we sell hand forged items and use Barricade. The trading post isn't climate controlled , to say the least - it's a cabin that gets muggy. It works really well!

Using it in my gun barrels, I re-apply it weekly or bi-weekly. I've never pulled out any rust.

One of those things where every individual has their method, but Wonderlube is probably the least popular for a few reasons, one which you've discovered.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Do you recommend any usage of this lube?

The intended use is a patch or conical bullet lube.
And a poor one at that....
Not something I would recommend.....period.

 

[MountainRanger]

Do you recommend any usage of this lube?

a big container of it and a brick make a cracker-jack door stop :wink:

 

[Vaino]

Since I startd shooting MLers in 1976, a waxy lube from CA was used for "everything" but they discontinued making the stuff so went to Oxyoke 1000 Plus and it must be the same stuff since it works just as well.

A rust preventative must form a layer that prevents moist, ambient air from contacting the metal surfaces. What I like about the Oxyoke stuff is that it doesn't run and collect in the lowest areas as do the oils, etc. which have to be periodically re-applied because of this.

Also use the Oxyoke stuff as a patch lube in both summer and winter w/o any problems. Many "experts" warn that using a waxy lube is dangerous in below zero temps....hogwash! Have shot Oxyoke loads in miunus 15 degree temps while snowshoe hunting w/o a problem. Wouldn't you think that upon ignition the hot gases would warm up the lube? Another case where the "experts" try to create a problem where none exists.

All my hunting MLers have keyed bbls enabling the breech end to be dunked in a bucket of hot water and after the cleaning procedure {using a wire brush and patches} is completed and the hot bbl has fully dried, the Oxyoke 1000 Plus is liberally applied to the bore and all exterior surfaces while the bbl is still hot. W/o touching the rifles again, have stored then for 3 yrs w/o any rusting...at first I checked them after a month and seeing no rust was present, stopped checking.

Just like to keep things simple....and Oxyoke 1000 Plus ebables me to do this and to boot, on a cold, blustery winter day, it's also good for chapped lips.....can't beat that......Fred

 

[Billnpatti]

Traditions 1000 Lube, Bore Butter, etc as a rest preventive????? NO....NO...NO. Let me repeat that for clarity. NO....NO....NO. Use a product that has a rust inhibitor in it such as Barricade. Barricade is great stuff for either relatively short term storage such as a few weeks or for relatively long term storage such as a year or so. It is an excellent rust preventer but, over time, it thickens and can get gummy. This is desirable for long term storage because it will not run off of your gun like a thinner product might. But, after a gun has been stored for a while, you will need to use a good solvent such as mineral spirits, Varsol, etc. to clean it off your gun. It gets a lot like the old Cosmoline that our rifles came packed in when I was in the Marines. If you have ever cleaned up an newly unpacked military rifle that has been packed with Cosmoline on it You will have an idea of what is needed when removing thickened Barricade. It's great stuff but you need to know what to expect when it is used for long term storage. Short term storage will not result in this degree of thickening of Barricade and it is very easily wiped off after a week or two...or three of storage. I use it in my bores but I am in the habit of wiping my bores and inspecting all of my muzzleloading guns fairly frequently. It is something that I really enjoy doing so it is not a chore for me and by having this routine, I keep all of my guns rust free and looking like new. On the outside of my guns, I use Renaissance Wax. It is the absolutely best stuff I have ever found for protecting the outside of all metal objects...guns, knives, tools, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OZagOg2Bek

As for using the Traditions 1000, save it for use as a patch or bullet lube only, or, if you are so inclined, use it to top off your chambers in your revolvers. I say that because I know what a tube of it costs and I know you don't want to waste it. I, too, have some that I am slowly using up. I won it as a blanket prize and am not going to waste it. Once it is used up, I suggest that you do some reading of the appropriate posts on this forum about good lubes for your patches, bullets, etc. and don't waste your money buying over priced products like Traditions 1000, Bore Butter, etc. There are plenty of recipes on the forum for excellent lubes that are CHEAP to make. I just love the word "CHEAP". It's one of my favorite words....next to "FREE" of course.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Seriously though!.....Since he lives in Hawwaii;
I would use Fluid Film.

In the critical aerospace & aviation industries, corrosion preventives and lubricants can face a vast and extensive battery of tests to reach chemical approval. FLUID FILM has faced intense scrutiny by government research laboratories as advanced as Boeing's Space Systems Division for use on the Space Shuttle and Boeing's Engineering Materials and Process Laboratory for use on aluminum alloys, exceeding process requirements and expectations, ultimately resulting in reduced maintenance costs.

FLUID FILM has proven so effective in these industries that specifications were written by the U.S. Navy/Army/Marine Corps, Sundstrand Aerospace, Boeing North America, U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. National Guard, Sikorsky Helicopter and Delta airlines for the use of FLUID FILM in a variety of applications.

The U.S. Air Force, in accordance with Mil-C-16173-E Grade 2, conducted testing on FLUID FILM. FLUID FILM exceeded all performance requirements.

Hands down the best long term storage I have found other than submerging in Cosmoline .

 

[coloradoclyde]

Also,
In my experience the only way to make wax function well as a long term preventative, is to submerge the part in to melted wax....Thus eliminating any oxygen or moisture trapped between the part and the wax. Melted wax also provides a uniform and seamless coating with no gaps.

 

[hanshi]

Currently not owning a revolver I don't actually need the stuff. I've used it in the past and still have a tube of it. It will lube a patch is about the only good thing I can say about it. Their crap about seasoning the bore with it is pure poppycock! And as a rust preventative it ranks right down there with Chapstick. Mink Oil (a grease) is leagues ahead of any BB and that's what I use as a patch lube in the hunting woods.

 

[1860 Army]

Thanks all for your inputs . BP shooting is a whole new world for me.

 

[Maven]

This article is worth reading as it refutes the Traditions 1000, Bore Butter, and others' claims about "seasoning" your bore (with their product, of course): http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/251958/

 

[SgtErv]

There's a bunch to learn, certainly. You're in a good place for it. It's a good sign that you're looking into things to learn more. You'll get the hang of things fast, and have a ton of fun!

 

[1860 Army]

Anuyone want to buy a tube of Bore Butter? :surrender:

 

[swathdiver]

When first starting out with percussion revolvers I bought this stuff and others like it too. Worked well for cleaning and lubrication the internals and does not work at all as a grease to cover the chamber mouths, here in Florida. Once the stuff melted, it never seemed to harden again.

Eventually we used most of it up and now make our own "bore butter" which is 5 parts Goya Extra Virgin Olive Oil and 1 part Beeswax. I like the Goya brand a batch made with another brand turned green on the guns after a while.

We having been using our own recipe to clean, lubricate and protect our sixguns and long rifles for about three years now with no rust or corrosion problems.

Ballistol is great stuff and for a time used that too for everything but now is used as part of "The System" by Dutch Schoultz.

 

[Maven]

I'd have no qualms about using it as a patch lube* and did for many years. However, that's all it's good for: not for seasoning or rust prevention/long term storage.


*lots of home brews work at least as well, if not better. E.g., see the recipe in the post previous to this one.