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I finally got one. I joined this forum group 3 days ago and bought my first flintlock tonight. Any powder patch and ball combos would be appreciated. I got a brand new Traditions Deerhunter .50 cal. Any advice on care and use would be awesome.
 
Well you can clean it inside n out well. I don't figure you have a mainspring/frizzen vise so you can clean inside the lock well. Loads prb ? You can start at 50 gr of 2 f or 3 f for your main charge, use what ever patch thickness you have on hand. Of course lube patch, i start mine n cut patching off at the muzzle n run it on down solid. Cleaning it you can use lil soap n water i prefer mine warm, not boiling hot. Dry it well inside n out. Then oil it
 
Well you can clean it inside n out well. I don't figure you have a mainspring/frizzen vise so you can clean inside the lock well. Loads prb ? You can start at 50 gr of 2 f or 3 f for your main charge, use what ever patch thickness you have on hand. Of course lube patch, i start mine n cut patching off at the muzzle n run it on down solid. Cleaning it you can use lil soap n water i prefer mine warm, not boiling hot. Dry it well inside n out. Then oil it
Thank you for the advice!
 
Smokepolehall gave you some good advise.

I'm not familiar with the Traditions Deerhunter, but I do have several .50's, both flintlock and percussion. My hunting load in all my .50's is 70 grs. of 3F real black powder with a patched .490 round ball. But, that is just what works for me with my rifles. (Think about it. If that was a cartridge load it would be a .50/70, but with round ball ballistics, of course.) And, I can honestly tell you that load will shoot completely through a deer, broadside, out to at least 75 yards. I've done it many times.

I do not take any shots at big game beyond 75 yards with my muzzleloaders.

However, you will need to try plenty of different loads until you find what works best in your rifle. As Smokepolehall said, you might start out with 50 grains of either 2 or 3F and work up in 5 or 10 grain increments to 90 grains, or even 100, although I doubt you will need or want that much.

I prefer 3F because I can also prime with it. I don't use a special priming horn, because I just prime right from my regular powder horn. That just eliminates an extra item that I don't have to carry. Some say that you can prime with 2F, but I haven't tried that. I think 2F is a little coarse for priming, but I suppose it would work.

Different ball sizes and patch thicknesses all can make a difference in your rifle's performance. You will just have to experiment. A .495 ball, patched, is usually a tight fit. A tight fitting ball is often an advantage when doing some precision target shooting, but of course can also be used for hunting if it works in your rifle. In one of my flintlock .50's even a .490 ball is a very tight fit. So, I now use a .480 patched ball in that particular rifle.

As for cleaning; Everyone has their own ideas. I prefer plain old soap and water. In my range box I keep a bottle of water with a little dish soap added. I just use it at room temperature, but warming it may make it a little more effective. I keep swabbing out the bore of my rifle with that until my cleaning patches come out clean, or mostly so. After that I run a patch damp with isopropol alcohol down the bore. I believe the alcohol replaces water and it dries quickly. But, that's just me, others may have other results. Finally, run an oily patch down the bore. It doesn't take much. Don't over do it. There are specific commercial or homemade products for that purpose. I use a product called Bore Butter, but I admit it is nasty stuff to work with; runny in warm weather, and hard in cold weather. It is just what I started with 30 years ago and I have kept with it. Others prefer something else.

Beware, when cleaning a flintlock that you don't get too sopping wet down the bore. Dirty fluid can run out the touch hole and down the stock of your rifle. It could ruin the finish on your stock if you're not careful.

There is a product specifically for cleaning a flintlock. A hose attaches to the touchhole with the other end in a can/bottle of cleaning fluid. Then with a damp patch on your wiping stick pumping it up and down in the rifle bore will suck up the cleaning fluid into the bore and the pumping action will work like a washing machine. Pull out the wiping stick (ramrod) and pour out the fluid, dry, and oil the bore.
Lightly oil all the metal parts, and wipe down the wooden stock. Done. From time to time wipe the stock with something; linseed oil, furniture polish, Marvel Mystery Oil, whatever depending on the type of finish on your rifle stock.

Now you will need a powder horn or flask, a powder measure, a vent pick, ball board and/or ball bag, a cleaning jag, ball puller, patch puller, and you might use a few other things. You will need a bag to carry it all. Most of that stuff you can easily make yourself, even including the powder horn and bag. In the meantime, you could go to an army/navy store and get a gas mask bag or a medic's bag to use until you can get a proper shot bag. Any small bag will do. You will need an adjustable powder measure until you find the specific load that you like. Then it is easy to make a measure that holds that specific amount of powder. A vent pick is easily made by straightening out a paper clip. Ball boards are easy, too. Just drill some 1/2 inch holes in a small 3/8 thick board. I don't use a short starter, but I know many folks do. Why buy one? They are just so simple to make.
To me, making my own accoutrements if half the fun of muzzleloading.

It could be that your biggest problem may be finding real black powder.

Sorry if I got too long winded. It is Saturday morning, a rainy day here, and I have nothing else to do today. ():>)
Good luck, and have fun.
 
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Smokepolehall gave you some good advise.

I'm not familiar with the Traditions Deerhunter, but I do have several .50's, both flintlock and percussion. My hunting load in all my .50's is 70 grs. of 3F real black powder with a patched .490 round ball. But, that is just what works for me with my rifles. (Think about it. If that was a cartridge load it would be a .50/70, but with round ball ballistics, of course.) And, I can honestly tell you that load will shoot completely through a deer, broadside, out to at least 75 yards. I've done it many times.

I do not take any shots at big game beyond 75 yards with my muzzleloaders.

However, you will need to try plenty of different loads until you find what works best in your rifle. As Smokepolehall said, you might start out with 50 grains of either 2 or 3F and work up in 5 or 10 grain increments to 90 grains, or even 100, although I doubt you will need or want that much.

I prefer 3F because I can also prime with it. I don't use a special priming horn, because I just prime right from my regular powder horn. That just eliminates an extra item that I don't have to carry. Some say that you can prime with 2F, but I haven't tried that. I think 2F is a little coarse for priming, but I suppose it would work.

Different ball sizes and patch thicknesses all can make a difference in your rifle's performance. You will just have to experiment. A .495 ball, patched, is usually a tight fit. A tight fitting ball is often an advantage when doing some precision target shooting, but of course can also be used for hunting if it works in your rifle. In one of my flintlock .50's even a .490 ball is a very tight fit. So, I now use a .480 patched ball in that particular rifle.

As for cleaning; Everyone has their own ideas. I prefer plain old soap and water. In my range box I keep a bottle of water with a little dish soap added. I just use it at room temperature, but warming it may make it a little more effective. I keep swabbing out the bore of my rifle with that until my cleaning patches come out clean, or mostly so. After that I run a patch damp with isopropol alcohol down the bore. I believe the alcohol replaces water and it dries quickly. But, that's just me, others may have other results. Finally, run an oily patch down the bore. It doesn't take much. Don't over do it. There are specific commercial or homemade products for that purpose. I use a product called Bore Butter, but I admit it is nasty stuff to work with; runny in warm weather, and hard in cold weather. It is just what I started with 30 years ago and I have kept with it. Others prefer something else.

Beware, when cleaning a flintlock that you don't get too sopping wet down the bore. Dirty fluid can run out the touch hole and down the stock of your rifle. It could ruin the finish on your stock if you're not careful.

There is a product specifically for cleaning a flintlock. A hose attaches to the touchhole with the other end in a can/bottle of cleaning fluid. Then with a damp patch on your wiping stick pumping it up and down in the rifle bore will suck up the cleaning fluid into the bore and the pumping action will work like a washing machine. Pull out the wiping stick (ramrod) and pour out the fluid, dry, and oil the bore.
Lightly oil all the metal parts, and wipe down the wooden stock. Done. From time to time wipe the stock with something; linseed oil, furniture polish, Marvel Mystery Oil, whatever depending on the type of finish on your rifle stock.

Now you will need a powder horn or flask, a powder measure, a vent pick, ball board and/or ball bag, a cleaning jag, ball puller, patch puller, and you might use a few other things. You will need a bag to carry it all. Most of that stuff you can easily make yourself, even including the powder horn and bag. In the meantime, you could go to an army/navy store and get a gas mask bag or a medic's bag to use until you can get a proper shot bag. Any small bag will do. You will need an adjustable powder measure until you find the specific load that you like. Then it is east to make a measure that holds that specific amount of powder. A vent pick is easily made by straightening out a paper clip. Ball boards are easy, too. Just drill some 1/2 inch holes in a small 3/8 thick board. I don't use a short starter, but I know many folks do. Why buy one? They are just so simple to make.
To me, making my own accoutrements if half the fun of muzzleloading.

It could be that your biggest problem may be finding real black powder.

Sorry if I got too long winded. It is Saturday morning, a rainy day here, and I have nothing else to do today. ():>)
Good luck, and have
Thank you very much for the in depth response. Alot of super handy info I needed. I love making my own accouterments also. This is the start to a new obsession for me. I had to go with a synthetic stock due to price. So cleaning will be a little less stressful knowing I won't ruin any wood in the field. I have a black powder guy that has everything I need on that note. And I'm hoping a .490 ball with .010 patching with 70 g of 2 f in the barrel and 4f in pan will get me accurate on paper and get me use to the flash. I've never shot a muzzleloader a day in my life. 😂 Time to get ice in the veins and get rid of any flinch lol. I hope your rainy days going good and thank you!
 
Everybody has their own cleaning routine but since I have the exact same gun I'll tell you what I do although I'm not claiming it's the only way.

I always remove the barrel when cleaning. I remove the lock and it only takes removing one wedge to pull the barrel so why not? My rifle is the one with a composite stock so water wouldn't hurt it but I still pull the barrel, take it to the sink and after putting a toothpick in the touch hole I fill the barrel with water, stand it up and let it soak while I clean the lock.

I clean my lock using brass brushes and alcohol then oil the moving parts lightly. I also wipe the frizzen face with a lightly oiled rag as I've found rust wants to form there if it's stored for too long before my next shooting session. I always wipe the frizzen face with an alcohol swab before the first shot at the range so that takes the oil off.

When I'm done cleaning the lock I dump the water out of the barrel then remove the touch hole liner. I take the barrel back to the sink and run water in from the muzzle end till I get a good clean flow out the touch hole. I also run some water through the liner while holding it between thumb and finger.

Next I run a cleaning patch with some moose milk (Ballistol and water mix) through the barrel, then run dry cleaning patches till they come out clean and dry, usually this take about 6-8 patches. I clean the touch hole and threads by pushing a bit of patch into the hole using a Q-tip shaft for leverage. I then reinstall the touch hole liner using just a tad of oil on the threads.

Finally I run a lightly oiled patch down the barrel then take that same patch and wipe down the outside of the barrel with it. I just use some motor oil for this as it's heavier than the gun oil I use to lube the lock.

I always clean as soon as I get home from the range as it seems to me that the crud gets harder the longer it sits after shooting.

I'm sure you'll hear from those who use different methods, it's the old "more than one way to skin a cat" thing. This is just what's worked well for me.
 
I have a .32 caliber Deerhunter. They are handy little rifles. Keep an eye on the classifieds here and other places and you may find a wood stock if you would like to have one or a whole rifle in a smaller caliber. They don’t usually bring a great amount.
 
I finally got one. I joined this forum group 3 days ago and bought my first flintlock tonight. Any powder patch and ball combos would be appreciated. I got a brand new Traditions Deerhunter .50 cal. Any advice on care and use would be awesome.
What I've found, for .50cal, 70ish grains 3F with .015 lubed patch and .490 RB or your choice of projectile is usually in the sweet zone. I've found that no matter the gun, this load will shoot well, not saying the best load for each gun, but is usually a good place to start. As far as care and cleaning, you'll hear a bunch of ways that it's done, none of which are usually wrong. I guess my point is, find something wet (water based), put it on a piece of cotton, shove it down the barrel a couple of times and repeat till patches comes out clean. once clean, run a piece of cotton down with some type of metal protector and you're good. For me, that something wet is warm water and dawn and CLP or Ballistol for rust prevention if home. At range, I use bought black powder cleaner like TC #13 or #17 and sometimes windex. Good luck and keep asking questions.
 
I have a similar cleaning routine as described by Rancocas. I clean with room temperature water & maybe a drop of Dawn. I owned and hunted with a Traditions DeerHunter for 20 years and cleaning was easy. With a hooked breech remove the barrel and put the breech end in a bucket with a few inches of water. Use cleaning patches and "pump" the water through the barrel until it comes out clean. I never remove a vent liner for routine cleaning. I dry the bore well and use Barricade to protect the bore. I also remove the lock and clean that too.

If the rifle has a "pinned" barrel I do not remove it. I clean it with water by running wet & dry patches in the bore. After drying the bore I use a patch wet with Barricade as the last step. The rifle is placed on a horizontal rifle vice and cleaned in place.

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