Traditions PA Pellet Flintlock

[theHoofer]

At the risk of offending the purists, I was wondering if any of you guys (and gals) own or have experience with the Traditions 'super flintlock', the PA Pellet rifle. Is it actually designed to shoot Pyrodex pellets? If so, do you prime it with BP or pyrodex? I've always heard a flintlock will not fire with replica black powders. BP is VERY hard to come by in my parts (Eastern Ontario, Canada) so a flintlock that fires Pyrodex is kind of appealing.

Thoughts?

Frank

 

[PreglerD]

No expirience with this rifle, but with the cap gun (Deerhunter) and pellets. The capper works with magnum #11 primers and bp pellets real fine.

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[Twisted_1in66]

Hey Hoofer,

What do you plan on using to prime your pan to try to get the pellets to go off?

I have a Traditions PA longrifle and I tried both Pyrodex (never got it to ignite) and 777 which worked better than half the time. Then I found I had some old 3f BP and it went off every time (unless I screwed something up elsewhere). That was using loose powder for both prime and load.

Pellets are much easier and perhaps more consistent to load, but they are harder yet to ignite than loose powder, let alone real BP. All of the BP subs have a much higher ignition point than BP (about 350° higher). If you want consistent performance, use real BP. Otherwise you'll never know what's going to happen when you pull the trigger.

There's a similar thread to this going on right now about the TC firestorm. Basically the same approach. Those pellets work OK using Shotgun primers (209's) as a "cap", but kiss off getting them to work in a flinter without using some real BP as prime and as part of the load (few grains into the barrel before loading the pellets).

Just say no to subs!

Twisted_1in66 :thumbsup:

 

[theHoofer]

That's about what I figured the situation would be. I guess I'll have to get my hands on some real BP -although the closest places I've heard of so far are either Toronto and Kitchener (5-7hrs drive away!!)

I guess I could use BP to prime, and possibly 777 or Pyrodex P in the chamber, with a little BP first to ignite it.

Thanks for replying.

 

[paulvallandigham]

Oh, Please. If you will go up to the top of the index for this forum, and find " member Resources" scroll down to "articles, charts, and links", and click on the links. There are powder suppliers who will ship powder to you to your door via UPS and other carriers, and you can order powder over the phone. They take credit cards. Some will give you a discount for as little as 4or 5 lbs. in an order. Its worth your while to order a full case( 25 lbs.) because that will give you the lowest cost. There is a Haz Mat fee of $20.00 PER SHIPMENT, so the more powder you order, the less the cost for the HazMat fee is per pound. Get some friends together, and share an order.

Powder, INc., Graf & Sons, The powder Room are just some of the suppliers who sell direct. Goex has a website that gives all its distributors for the country. Find the one that covers your state, and call them on their 800 number. They can tell you the name and address of the closest retailer, if you insist on only buying one pound of powder at a time. Case prices are around $12.00 per pound these days delivered, so you have an idea of how to save money over what it will cost you to buy it retail, or heaven forbid, buy those expensive substitutes!

Welcome to the forum. If you have any questions about supplies, please ask. The only dumb question is the one not asked. We can help you save a lot of money while you are learning all you need to know about these guns. In fact, this site may just be the best source of information about Traditional BP guns there is. Thanks to Claude for that fact! :grin: :wink: :hatsoff:

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Oh, Please. If you will go up to the top of the index for this forum, and find " member Resources" scroll down to "articles, charts, and links", and click on the links. There are powder suppliers who will ship powder to you to your door via UPS and other carriers, and you can order powder over the phone. They take credit cards. Some will give you a discount for as little as 4or 5 lbs. in an order. Its worth your while to order a full case( 25 lbs.) because that will give you the lowest cost. There is a Haz Mat fee of $20.00 PER SHIPMENT, so the more powder you order, the less the cost for the HazMat fee is per pound. Get some friends together, and share an order.

Powder, INc., Graf & Sons, The powder Room are just some of the suppliers who sell direct. Goex has a website that gives all its distributors for the country. Find the one that covers your state, and call them on their 800 number. They can tell you the name and address of the closest retailer, if you insist on only buying one pound of powder at a time. Case prices are around $12.00 per pound these days delivered, so you have an idea of how to save money over what it will cost you to buy it retail, or heaven forbid, buy those expensive substitutes!

Welcome to the forum. If you have any questions about supplies, please ask. The only dumb question is the one not asked. We can help you save a lot of money while you are learning all you need to know about these guns. In fact, this site may just be the best source of information about Traditional BP guns there is. Thanks to Claude for that fact! :grin: :wink: :hatsoff:

Uh, he resides in Canada, will they ship BP there? :hmm:


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[tg]

"Just say no to subs!'

Don't that Early Lancaster long barreled flinter work well with pellets,
scopes, and 1 1/2"long bullets? wrapped in plastic? :rotf:

 

[tg]

"The only dumb question is the one not asked."

or the one put forth to the wrong person, a common occurance in many circles.

 

[R.M.]

Hoofer. Williams Arms in Port Perry should have BP. I know it's still a hike, but closer than TO anyway.

 

[Twisted_1in66]

"Just say no to subs!'

Don't that Early Lancaster long barreled flinter work well with pellets,
scopes, and 1 1/2"long bullets? wrapped in plastic? :rotf:

That early Lancaster works so well with it's beautiful curly maple stock, slender forarm, 42" swamped barrel, and finely tuned lock that I can hardly stand it! I feed it a steady diet of Goex, and .490 round balls.

If I can't see it well enough to shoot it with those iron sights, I don't take the shot. Anything I can see well enough to shoot with iron sights can be stopped with round balls. We don't need no stinkin scope, and I don't speak French, so I wouldn't even know how to say "Sabot" let alone try to use one.

And, I would never insult such a fine piece by feeding it pellets - "Here, choke on this..." (tg built my Early Lancaster and it's sweet!).

Twisted_1in66 :thumbsup:

 

[paulvallandigham]

Well, Goex lists distributors in Canada, so I think the answer has to be " YES!", BP can be shipped to Canada. NO? http://www.goexpowder.com/distributors.html

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Well, Goex lists distributors in Canada, so I think the answer has to be " YES!", BP can be shipped to Canada. NO? http://www.goexpowder.com/distributors.html[/quote]

Judt for the whale of it, I emailed Grafs and asked if they could ship BP to an individual in Canada. Here is their answer.


"We can't ship any hazardous products (or controlled products) without
the proper licensing in place. We ask that you have a minimum order of
$1000.00 or we will charge you a flat rate of $50.00 for filing."

 

[tg]

Measure that barrel again pard....it should be 44"

 

[Parzifal]

Hi guys!!
I am fairly shure that we Canadians cannot have blackpowder shipped to us directly.

If it was possible I think the 50$$ flat rate for them to do it would be acceptable, just buy 4 lbs of ffg per shipment.

If on the off chance it IS possible I would love to be proven wrong.

 

[paulvallandigham]

If you can't buy it from US dealers, then contact the Canadian Distributors for GOEX. I see at least 2 on the Goex map. I don't know what they will charge, but they are obviously in the business to sell Black Powder. They can either give you the name and location of your nearest dealer, or arrange to sell you the powder direct. We have other Canadian members here who shoot black powder, so they must be able to get it from someone.

YOur province may require you to have a license to buy it. So what? Get the darn license! Unless you are a convicted felon or mental case, I doubt seriously that this is more than filling out some paper work, and paying a small fee.

John Emmett
P.O. Box 442
Thorold, Ontario
Canada L2V 4J6
905-227-3342, FAX: 905-227-5851

is listed as the distributor in Eastern Ontario.

I hope this helps.

 

[Twisted_1in66]

Measure that barrel again pard....it should be 44"

OOoops...was a slip of the digit...and it was late...or was that early

Yup 44" like I thought I wrote...

Twisted_1in66 :thumbsup:

 

[theHoofer]

I don't think these things will help me in Canada, unless they have a distributor here. I'll check the websites and see. For some reason, everybody is so damn enamored with in-line scoped ML'ers and pellets up here that none of the stores cater to even caplock shooters. Flintlocks are a dying breed up here. I wish all the ML seasons banned in-lines!!

 

[user 13289]

I don't think these things will help me in Canada, unless they have a distributor here. I'll check the websites and see. For some reason, everybody is so damn enamored with in-line scoped ML'ers and pellets up here that none of the stores cater to even caplock shooters. Flintlocks are a dying breed up here. I wish all the ML seasons banned in-lines!!

Me three--here's what I'm going to propose to the folks that shape hunting rules in my state--either add Traditional BP arms to the very long Archery seasons-or make the early MZ season "Traditional Only". My definition of traditional would be sidelock, loose propellant, ball, and open sights. Can I get an "amen"?

 

[brubincam]

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[Livbucks]

Listen..I have the PA Pellet. You absolutely need to prime with Goex real BP. I use ffffg but 3f will also work and some say it is more moisture reistant to go that way. The gun shoots very reliably and well with pyrodex or what I use...777. There is no advantage to using pellets IMO. Just as easy to premeasure some charges of loose and head out. The gun ignites the replica powders well because of the flash funnel design of the breach plug. The advantage of the replica powders is that you can shoot much more before swabbing is necessary. You also have a easier job of cleaning the gun and less corrosion from the replica powders. I love mine. The TC Firestorm is essentially the same. If you want to use pellets in them, you still have to dump a trickle charge of priming powder down the barrel in order to fill the flash channel.Without doing so, there is a void between the prime and the charge and the gun will not fire. If you go to that trouble, you might as well just use loose for the whole shebang. Because of the twist you can use sabots or powerbelts or lubed conicals with good results.
The benefits of it in total is a gun that is easy to load, requires less field cleaning, is easy to clean after shooting and less susceptibility to corrosion. But yet, and best of all, it loads and fires in the same fashion as any other flintlock. That is the best part. You get that shooting experience of a traditional gun.