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Trouble with TC hawken half-**** position

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mjulihn

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The hammer on my TC Hawken does not seem to have a half-**** position when the percussion lock is installed in the stock. However, when I take the lock out of the stock, the tumbler appears to function normally and the half-**** position is present. Any ideas?
 
Set trigger out of adjustment.(?)
Pull the lock and look in the hole for the trigger sear, is one of the trigger cams too high?

The fly may be acting funny,(?) those screws in the lock bridle need to be tight, if they are the tiniest bit loose the fly will tip.

It's a good Idea to pull the trigger and check for debris in the mortice and work the triggers a few times to see how they actually function,, clean and lube,, :wink:
 
Are you "sure" it doesn't have a half **** when it's installed?

The reason I ask is because when all Thompson Center Hawken rifles are set to half **** the internal face of the nose of the hammer will be only about 1/8" above the top of the nipple.

From a fired position, raising the hammer just a little bit should produce a small "click" when the sear enters the notch in the tumbler.

I haven't heard an official word from TC about why they did this but I'm guessing it was done in an attempt to make the gun safer.

With the hammer that low, there is less chance that a twig could get under the hammer and lift it out of half ****.
Also, if that were to happen, the hammer is less likely to fire the cap because it doesn't have much room to pick up speed while only falling 3/16" or 1/4".

You may know this but because some of our other readers may not, I will take this opportunity to mention something about guns with double set triggers and their locks with a "fly" in the tumbler. All TC guns with double set triggers have a fly in their tumbler.

The tiny "fly" keeps the nose of the sear (the part that holds the hammer at half **** or full ****) from falling into the half **** notch when the hammer is lowered from a position that is above half ****. Even just a little above half ****.

For instance, when the hammer is released from full ****, the nose of the sear rides on the outside of the tumbler until it comes to the fly.
The fly pushes the nose of the sear up and over the half **** notch. This allows the hammer to continue to fall.

Guns with double set triggers and a fly in the tumbler can only be set to the half **** position by rising up to it.
That means, in order to set the hammer to half ****, the hammer must first be lowered down almost to the nipple and then pulled back up until the small "click" of the sear entering the half **** notch is heard.

This is important to remember because I've seen cases where someone who wasn't aware of this slooooowly lower their hammer from full ****. (his gun was not a TC and the half **** notch kept the hammer raised up about 1/2" above the nipple).

When the nose of the sear got to the fly, rather than jumping over it, like it would if the hammer was falling fast, it hung up on the fly and the hammer stopped moving.
The shooter thinking his gun was at half-**** set the butt of the gun down on a hard surface and the shock caused the sear to disengage from the fly and fall. Fortunately, there was no cap on the nipple but it sure got his attention.
 
Good point, Zonie. It took me a couple outings before I figured out that deal with the half-**** position. Mine only catches at half **** when I barely reach the half **** position and stop. If I go too much past half ****, it won't engage on the way back down. Took me awhile to figure that out.
 
Very helpful info. I did not expect the half-**** position to be with the hammer that close to the nipple face. I will check for a small "click" just off nipple when I get home tonight.
 
I have 2 TC hawkens, and 1 has a hammer issue. At half **** the hammer does not clear the nipple.
I have received and tried several hammers to no avail, however the hammer on the other Hawken is perfect on both guns.
TC is sending a new Hammer for me after a phone call to them explaining the situation.
It seems that the TC Hawken had 2 style hammers. One style has a bent back thumb spur, this one works great on both guns I have, and the other is identified as an almost straight up thumb spur.The straight up one is the one I keep getting and it will not clear the nipple at half ****.It seems the new model is using the curved type, and the old model is using the more straight type.
I am guessing you might have a straight type hammer on a lock/gun that needs a hammer with a curved thumb spur.
You van see the diferent styles in these photos. The thumb spur shape is not the only diference, but it is the easy way to identify the diferent hammers.

newhammer.jpg

oldhammer.png


Pete
 
Try to beg, borrow or steal a curved one and see if that helps.
Pete
 
James Bond said:
I do in fact have the more vertical hammer spur shown on the second rifle.


If you do get another hammer, I would sure like to buy your straight one!
 
Can't see why the shape of the hammer spur would make any difference for this issue. I checked for the first "click" on mine -- it is very close to the full **** position but lets down the hammer to a position very close to the face of the nipple (i.e., nipple top covered by the hammer). Does this sound like normal operation for a TC Hawken lock?
 
The spur is a way to tell the 2 types of hammers apart. They are diferent in the square hole orientation.
 
I spoke with TC this morning. They will send me a new tumbler at no charge. I suspect that worn surfaces where the sear and tumbler meet may be part of the problem.
 
petew said:
Just curious if the new tumbler fixed the problem for you?
Still waiting to personally experience Thompson Center's reputation for unmatched customer service. TC offered a free replacement tumbler several weeks ago but so far it's a "no-show"... :idunno:
 
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