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Ed Oamar

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I am thinking of getting one but was told that while they are fun to shoot as a shotgun you will get smacked with the stock when shooting RB. Is this true or just the case of poor fit? On that note I am 5ft.11in. and have long arms, I have to where tall sizes, should I look at another style or no?
 
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I don't have a de-Chasse, wish I did. But I do have a French style New England smoothie in .12ga. It has a similar butt stock and when I had it built I had a cast of put into it. I can shoot round ball out of it all day without smacking my cheek. Yes it helps a lot when the guis fitted to you.
 
I bought one,Damn nice one too.When I shot it with a roundball it darn near beat the chops right off of me!I shot it a dozen times the day after I got it and wore a Black and blue cheek for a week.Had to take it back and get a refund.I too am 6ft with long arms and don't think that "Style" stock is good for me.Like I said...one fine looking gun it was and I "Had" the smoothbore bug...I've managed to stay away from anymore...Maybe someday.
 
I have two tulle fusil de chase and have never had that problem or have I heard of it before. all the smoothbore shooters I know here in Michigan's U P use them and not one has a problem shooting round ball. I think someone has been feeding you a line.
 
My Tulle De Fin will shoot anything you feed her.

Hasn't bit me yet.

I have a 1/4" of cast off built into her.
 
I have to guns with those same lines and like you I am 5'11" with long arms. I found that I held my head back as far as I could I could fire a .62 RB with 70 grns of 3f goex all day. If I put my head forward they do give me a good belt. See if you can find someone who has one and will let you give it a try.
 
Check the length of pull- it should be about 13 1/2"to 13 3/4" long for a man your size. The drop at comb also tends to be too short for big men. That is why having Cast Off put into the stock helps keep recoil from banging you in the cheek.

Anytime you are buying a Large Bore Gun, and intend to shoot full loads of either shot, or RB, you benefit from having a stock fit you properly.

The best suggestion above is to find someone with one of these guns who will let you shoot it a few times. If it doesn't fit, or if you are getting slapped in the cheek, you have to decide whether you will buy the gun and have the stock altered or replaced, at further expense, or pass on it, and find a different gun.

I have a 20 gauge( .62 cal.) fowler, made for me, and I have NO problem with recoil from the gun shooting RB or Heavy shot loads. I have a longer neck than average, so the gunmaker made the drop at comb, and the drop at heel longer than most guns.

I hold my head upright, instead of crawling the stock, so my LOP is 13 3/4, for my 6'1" frame. It could have been a bit longer, but I asked him to keep it shorter to reflect my wearing more clothes when hunting. I have a 1/4" of Cast On( LHed) on this stock, and that works just right to have recoil forces move the stock away from my cheek, rather than up into my cheekbone and glasses frame.

I share these dimensions with you to reflect the important of stock fit on these guns. My Fowler is relatively light weight. It would really be a bruiser if I tried to stuff it with 90 or more grains of 3Fg. Such powder charges are not necessary nor desirable to deliver good patterns, or accurate placement of RBs. I use 2Fg in my gun, and that also takes some of the bite out of recoil. 60-70 grains of 2Fg behind a .600 PRB works just fine out to 50 yds. Recoil is a nice shove. :thumbsup:
 
The larger the difference between the height at drop of nose of comb and the drop of heel, the more the felt recoil as a general rule because you are creating more of an angle.

Excessive positive pitch prevents the full butt from spreading the recoil over an area and instead concentrates it in one small area. Correct pitch copies the chest/shoulder angle at full mount taking into consideration how far forward one leans when mounted and chest shape/size. Incorrect pitch is the first thing a real gunfitter will look at if someone is getting whacked on the cheek.

This gun stock profile has both problems in excess and therefore causes many problems for a lot of people. The abundance of positive pitch also causes shot to go lower with many people.
 
I like the looks of them but can't shoot them, they bite me! I can however shoot stocks with a straight upper comb line, and fairly high at that with no trouble. Capt. James Post explains stock fitting far better than I could. :thumbsup:
 
It's the angle between the buttplate and the barrel. If you stand a gun on the buttplate with the heel and toe of the buttplate on a level surface, and the barrel is pointing straight up, the buttplate is at right angles to the barrel and has zero pitch. So if the barrel is horizontal pointing downrange, the buttplate is perpendicular to the ground. Flat against your shoulder. That's zero pitch.

On some French fusils, when the barrel is horizontal pointing downrange, the heel of the buttplate is farther back than the toe. If this is exaggerated the gun tries to move up on your shoulder when you shoot it. Results are a bruised cheek. I think this is called positive pitch. You will find the gun does not "fit the pocket". if you look at Track's French fusil kits you can see this clearly in all but their D model which is closer to zero pitch.
 
Put a shotgun, or fusil's buttplate flat against a floor, next to a perpendicular wall, or trim. The distance from the wall to the front sight is the " Pitch". For most guns, today, pitch is negative, that is the muzzle is further from the wall than the heel of the stock, and rear of the action.

Barrel chested men, and most women, need to have some down-pitch so that the butt plate doesn't Dig into the upper chest muscles. Flat chested men and women need less down pitch.

If you stand the gun against a wall, and the muzzle touches the wall before the heel of the stock does, such a gun will often slip down on your arm or chest when its fired, and some will rotate upward at the wrist, smacking your face with the comb of the stock. It depends largely on how you hold a shotgun to your body, and where you position your face in relation to the comb.

Choosing a pitch angle for a gun is often decided by the kind of shooting you intend to do with it. Duck and Geese hunters, for instance, do a lot of shooting above their heads. The stocks need to be straighter, and often shorter than what would be comfortable if they were choosing a shotgun to hunt flushing birds, like quail, or grouse, or Pheasant, or partridge. Some small bird hunters are walking ridges, and shooting down into ravines, and swales to get birds. Their guns need different LOP, and pitch angles to be comfortable.

For the most part, American shooters just MAKE DO with what the commercial companies put on guns. This is quite different that the approach taken by European hunters, who shoot custom fitted guns as the norm. I think most MLERs just " make do", with their smoothbores, too.
 
Capt. and Rich
Thank you very much for that very interesting information. I was very lucky when I got back to shooting M/L's again to have a great guy to teach me how to shoot. He stated that we were very hard men to train because we were both in the same branch of the service and trained to shoot our M1 rifles, I guess you would say with muscle reflex. He passed away last year and I really miss him and his colorful language when he was training me. he would say if you hold that gun the wrong way the recoil will concentrate in one area and not defuse because of the stock angle.
 
"Is this true or just the case of poor fit?"

I would think this is the main problem I built one from parts and was able to get the "fit" that worked well for me, I can stoke it up way past what I need for PRB shooting and it is not uncomfortable to shoot, TC Hawkens on the other hand bump me pretty good as the LOP is to short and I have to get down on the stock uncomfortably to shoot them.Often one can adjust the placement of the front sight to allow a comfortable hold and sight picture, which may reduce the clobbering effect.
 
I have a .62 Caywood Type "C" and don't find the recoil bad with prb. But then again I've never shot more than perhaps 8 - 10 shots at one time. Loads were 60gr and 70gr. 3F.

Maybe if you can find someone in your area who has one, they'd let you try it. It's a long shot, but if you are in Eastern Ontario you'd be more than welcome to try mine.
 
I built one up several years ago and have shot it a lot with no cheek bite problems. Have found it to the the most natural mounting and pointing piece have ever owned.

Other's mileage may vary, but I do not sight down the barrel, I look above it to see the front turtle.
 
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