Type D

[gizamo]

We don't seem to.see many type D guns. I am guilty of lusting over type C's.. But the D is so much better...

Giz :blah: :blah:

 

[Mike Brooks]

I have most of an original ... I need to get some pictures of it and show it here.

 

[gizamo]

Mike,

Best I can do is one of Anthony P's guns ...

Steve

 

[Shine]

What's the difference between the two.

 

[rabjr]

One or two bad tests are enough to do it....oh wait... :haha:

 

[gizamo]

Reaching a bit here. But anyone else suspect a type D started out as a Fusil de Chase, and got restored on it's way?

 

[tg]

Unless I missed someting the nomenclature C and D is just a style of furniture and that is all the C being from an earlier period and looking a bit more fancifull with matching finials on the tg and buttplate than the later D, each could be used in the correct time period on a FDC or a trade gun be they fine or ordinary grade and are generaly not associated with the cows foot style guns.They would probably be more of a civilian bore size .55-.62 than the military bore of arong .69 of the time. The cows foot guns seem to be more popular with folks today and there are few of the other styles of French gbuns that are very close historicaly as to barrels and locks from what I have seen with RE Davis being one exception, I think they offer a decent gun with D furnitute I do not recall if it is Fin or Ordinare and these guns if meant for hunting could also be FDC's like in a Fusil Fin De Chase

 

[gizamo]

Pictures would be nice.... :thumbsup:
Giz

 

[tg]

I think there are some in Hamiltons books which I no longer have,you about have to see pics oforignals or drawings from originals as the ones offered today by the mainstream suppliers are so bogus.

 

[gizamo]

tg,

Raining like hell, right now. Or I would take out the two styles of stock for a pic. Hopefully someone else can show the change.

 

[alex efremenko]

Get "The French Trade gun in North America".

Hamilton's book just scatches the surface.Its older and someone had to start somewhere on the subject.A LOT of his translations From the old French were poorly misinterpreted.
I get this from TFTGINA's author.

If you are into old French guns this book is well worth the money.

 

[Mike Brooks]

Get "The French Trade gun in North America".

Hamilton's book just scatches the surface.Its older and someone had to start somewhere on the subject.A LOT of his translations From the old French were poorly misinterpreted.
I get this from TFTGINA's author.

If you are into old French guns this book is well worth the money.

New book or old?

 

[tg]

it sounds like it may be the new one, Okwaho said it was out a while back and that title sounds familiar???? errors in earlier works are common, good to see new stuff avalable, I think one of the main things that is askew now is the use of C and D as "gun" types intead of parts types, Bouchard is another good source for info on French guns even though most of his works are in French.It seems like in general folks are starting to lean more toward the Walnut stocks and a "better" lock on the French guns than in years past so some progress is being made much due to builders like Alex and Mikes input on posts like this, unfortunatley there are still a lot of really funky info writeups on many vendors sites that can lead folks the wrong way, even with other types of guns.

 

[Rifleman1776]

Danny Caywood makes the D model and has them on his website. Unfortunately, the pics aren't very good. His website is not up to the quality of his guns.

 

[alex efremenko]

That style of hardware was common style,from high end to low end[trade guns]some were cast ,some engraved.There were probably at least a half dozen grades of trade gun brought into NF during the French time here.Kevin's book goes into great detail on it.
I never really cared for the C&D labels,generic at best.but as i said,someone had to start somewhere.Even in Hamilton's book,there are guns of higher quality with C&D hardware,And his attributions to "anchor marked guns being marine muskets was also incorrect.but I digress...

 

[tg]

I think the Caywood guns are pretty low on the authenticity list with rather small lock, short barel 41", good point on the furniture Alex, I see where many claim a type C as a Fin and a type D as an Ordinare, I would like to see them as early French Fusil and late FF or something less confusing, more accurate for the average buyer,I saw one list that showed quite a few "types" like FDC ordinare and FDT fin, I think it was by Kit Ravensheare (SP), I have read his stuff and he seems to have had a fair handle on these guns given what was available in his day. I am looking forward to seeing the new book, who has it available now?

 

[alex efremenko]

Mowbray publishing,
54 east school Rd.
Woonsocket ,RI.02895

I believe they have a website also.

 

[alex efremenko]

TOW has it also,

 

[tg]

Thanx Alex

 

[buffcreekforge]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&ie=UTF8&qid=1313539826&sr=1-1&condition=used

Copy of the book The French Trade Gun in North America 1662-1759. $24.95 used.