Type "F" Auto Tranny Fluid

[Carl Fowler III]

Anyone ever use this stuff to clean their wood stock and outside of barrel...what are the alternatives? Was told not to use it on the inside of barrel or back of lock! :bow:

 

[hanshi]

Inside the bore you'll have that "yellow waxy buildup". On the stock and barrel it's basically liquid wax. Wipe everything off with a cloth dampened with the liquid. I've used it for many years, now, and it brings out the luster of the wood. It also seems to "harden" the stock surface over time. It will absolutely, positively stop rust in it's tracks.

 

[slumlord44]

Never heard of it called liquid wax. Never considered using it on a gun but some mix it with acetone as a penetrating oil. I use it in the power steering pump on my '57 T-Bird and my '57 John Deer tractor.

 

[nkbj]

Thanks for the heads up on the waxy build up. Haven't seen it yet. Maybe from not using it yet for long term with no use of the arms.

One thing I have noted, once upon a time I cleaned a barrel and used the type F to oil it. And it developed rust. I must have done one peepee pauperized cleaning job but it scared the boogers out of me enough to be extra vigilant when depending upon the type F thereafter.
Can't say as there's been a repeat. :idunno:

 

[mooman76]

Thanks for the heads up on the waxy build up. Haven't seen it yet. Maybe from not using it yet for long term with no use of the arms.

One thing I have noted, once upon a time I cleaned a barrel and used the type F to oil it. And it developed rust. I must have done one peepee pauperized cleaning job but it scared the boogers out of me enough to be extra vigilant when depending upon the type F thereafter.
Can't say as there's been a repeat. :idunno:

I've been having some troubles with rust also. Never had a problem with MLs before. I've always cleaned them just like any other gun no problem. Kind of got away from them for awhile and started getting back into them and have been seeing some rust lately. All I can think of is it's been so long I just got complacent and wasn't doing a good enough job when I started it again. I need to do a better job and I need to start checking my guns periodically after I shoot and clean them.

 

[garra]

Type F tranny fluid was used in Ford vehicles way back in the 60's. It was developed for use because of the bronze clutches to reduce slippage. Haven't heard anything about wax in it's formula.
Now I do use ATF in my gun cleaning concoction, 1 part acetone, 1 part mineral spirits, 1 part kerosene, and 1 part ATF.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

I think there may be a little confusion...I don't know....

Early transmission fluids used Sperm Whale Oil...and Sperm Whale Oil was also used for firearms. Type A/Suffix A was followed by Dexron, both using Sperm Whale oil BUT we outlawed that stuff due to the Endangered Species Act.

Dexron II c.1972 was developed to replace the Sperm Whale oil products Dexron and Type A transmission fluid, so some shooters apparently started using it as a possible substitute for their now forbidden whale oil....but this apparently had problems in cars, so out came Dexron IID, and all the rest since then...

Since then folks have talked about using transmission fluid for gun oil, lube, and external rust prevention.

The gun industry, since the whale oil was banned, have developed their own lubricants...though much of those are petroleum based, so with our muzzleloaders, may not work as well.

I think perhaps it's this old idea of using the original Dexron II that caused folks to talk to you about using transmission fluid in your gun.

LD

 

[pondoro]

Well this may be controversial but I have one muzzleloader that came to me used that had a rusty spot about six inches or so from the breech, I would clean and scrub and in general tried everything, but when I went back to it a few weeks later that spot felt different and sure enough the patch came out rust stained.

I tried this - I cleaned thoroughly and then coated the inside with bore butter and then put it in my oven at 170 degrees (it has a digital readout and 170 is the lowest setting). I let it cook for about 1/2 hour. I repeat this each time I use the gun. This stopped the recurring rust and has worked for 10+ years. Perhaps I finally solved the problem anyway and the bore butter coating is superfluous, but it works and I have clung to the practice in the face of numerous admonitions that this is wrong.

 

[Dewey]

TVM currently recommends Trans F for their guns for outside metal and wood surfaces.
http://www.tennesseevalleymuzzleloading.com/#!documentation/c1pwk

(Click on "Rifle Cleaning".)

 

[robert reed]

I tried tranny fluid. After prolonged exposure, I had an irresistible urge to try on my wife's clothes and look at myself in the mirror. She convinced me to stick to soap and water and paste wax. No more stretching out her drawers! Guns are clean and rust free.
:haha: :youcrazy:

 

[nhmoose]

Ford type fluid pass. Even the adds on TV says don't use Fordmotoroil

 

[Scota4570]

Putting petroleum oil on the wood is a very bad idea. It will soak the wood and make it become soft and punkie.

 

[Billnpatti]

Why use tranny fluid? Just use something that is intended for use to clean wood. I have used all sorts of things to clean my stock but all have been furniture cleaners or Murphy's Oil Soap. Those things will clean your stock but not hurt it. I clean the metal parts with soap and water, dry them thoroughly and apply either Birchwood-Casey's Barricade or one of the many rust inhibiting products on the market. I have also used a product called Renaissance Wax on both the stock and the outside of the barrel and lock. My personal opinion is to put the tranny fluid in your tranny and use a proper product on your gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OZagOg2Bek

 

[Alden]

TVM currently recommends Trans F for their guns for outside metal and wood surfaces.

When I pointed out that Matt spared no expense in their guns, using transmission fluid on them, I was attacked by all the usual suspects who were ignorant of the practice and/or can't risk diluting whatever they have invested in their TVM gun. I had no idea the good ol' boy actually wrote it down for them. LOL!

By the way, he used it in the bores as well as it's cheaper than "good gun oil."

 

[azmntman]

I sure recall those threads Alden. TOUCHE! op:

 

[kh0456]

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By the way, he used it in the bores as well as it's cheaper than "good gun oil."

Actually he says NOT to use it in the barrel or back of the lock. He also mentions to use a good gun oil in the barrel.

 

[Billnpatti]

Oh well, to each his own. Put me in the group that chooses not to use transmission fluid on my guns and be done with it. I have found better products for my guns.

 

[RonRC]

I find that transmission fluid enhances my muzzleloading gear. I can shift up from sitting to standing positions more smoothly. It increases my rpm's, rounds per minute. Plus, if I don't have good gun oil around, transmission fluid works in the clutch.
Ron (ducking for cover)

 

[Alden]

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By the way, he used it in the bores as well as it's cheaper than "good gun oil."

Actually he says NOT to use it in the barrel or back of the lock. He also mentions to use a good gun oil in the barrel.

Yes Johnny, thanks, I know what he wrote which is why I wrote what I wrote... or else what I wrote wouldn't have made much sense (to everyone else).

Just sharing more truth 'bout good ol' boy Matt than you wanted to know, again.

PS: Ron, that was funny!

 

[kh0456]

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By the way, he used it in the bores as well as it's cheaper than "good gun oil."

Actually he says NOT to use it in the barrel or back of the lock. He also mentions to use a good gun oil in the barrel.

Yes Johnny, thanks, I know what he wrote which is why I wrote what I wrote... or else what I wrote wouldn't have made much sense (to everyone else).

Just sharing more truth 'bout good ol' boy Matt than you wanted to know, again.

PS: Ron, that was funny!

Ok... I admit I'm late to the party especially if everyone else gets what you just said.