Uberti 1860 Colt Question

[don hepler]

I had a Uberti Colt Walker, that shot right on point of aim at 25 yards. I can't remember the powder charge, but was amazed at the accuracy.

Here's my question. Will the 1860 shot on at 25 yards? I've read that they shoot high. I'm only interested in knowing from someone who has a fairly new "Uberti".

 

can't speak for others but mine does.
New Last fall.
I would post a picture of 3 shots one right above each other, in a 4x4 chunk of wood, roughly centered top to bottom but can't find how to insert a picture here. I do not store pictures on flicker etc,

 

[rodwha]

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[don hepler]

Thanks for your response. The reason I'm asking is, I'm thinking about getting either an 1860 or Dragoon. My main concern, is having it shoot point of aim at 25 yards.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

I've shot just about everything that's currently available from Italy, and they all shoot high. At 25 yards I have to aim 6.5" low for the Walker. More than twice that for the 3rd Model Dragoon. If shooting to POA is important, I suggest replacing the front sight as is noted elsewhere on this forum.

Dave
NRA Distinguished Expert in Muzzleloading Pistol & Rifle

 

[don hepler]

I was hoping I wouldn't have go that route. I have a 2nd Gen. Colt, 1851 Navy, but it's never been fired, and I can't talk myself in to it. My ROA's have spoiled me with adjustable sights, but they don't feel like the Colts. The Walker I had was a Uberti that I bought new about 10 years ago, and I loved it because it shot point of aim at 25 yards, but I didn't like the ram rod dropping when I shot it. It was just too big, to really enjoy.

Thanks for input.

 

[George T.]

I have a Cimarron 1860 by them and it shoots a foot high at 25 yards. Geo. T.

 

[Wes/Tex]

it shoots a foot high at 25 yards.

You're going to find they all do. The U.S. Ordnance, in it's all-knowing wisdom, specified all guns intended for army use be sighted in at 75 yards. Why? Not sure, but it sounds like verse two of, "There is no reason, it's just company policy"!!! Cavalry melee certainly doesn't require long range hitting ability. Maybe that's the point, especially for cavalry...just point, touch & shoot! :wink:

 

[Zonie]

Maybe it's because it is an old one but my Uberti Colt 1860 Army shoots right to the point of aim at 25 yards. So does the CVA Walker I own but it's really too heavy to do any serious target work with.

Just for giggles I just looked up a typical velocity Lyman shows in their Black Powder Handbook for a .44 revolver with an 8" barrel.

They say it was 760 fps.

Anyway, I poked this into my roundball ballistics program that's on my computer and set the aim point for 80 yards and the velocity for 760 fps.

It says the ball will be hitting 5.4 inches high at 25 yards, 6.1 inches high at 30 yards and 6.8 inches high at 45 yards (the highest point in the trajectory shown).

I'm not saying the old story about the Army setting the aim point for 75 yards is wrong. I'm just saying my computer program says if it is hitting 12 inchs high at 25 yards, somebody goofed up. :hmm:

 

[don hepler]

What power load was you using in the 1860? I know from using modern revolvers, that the lite loads shot higher than the more powerful ones. I can shoot, pretty darn good for an old man, and I was ten years younger when I had the Walker, and it shot POI at 25 yards. I can't remember the load, but probably just under the max.

Interesting, data on your calculations.

 

[yakimaman]

Good lord, these aren't target pistols - point the dang thing at the bad guys belt buckle and punch a hole center of mass every time.

 

[don hepler]

The war's over. Time to make better use of a fine pistol. Might take a rabbit there, pilgrim.

 

[ZUG]

Old Bridge Gun Club must be doing right by you Dave - reaching that class is not easy - keep up the good shooting! My son & I shot high power rifle there and other clubs when I lived in NJ. I belonged to C.R.R.C and Central Jersey Gun Club.

 

[crockett]

Remember the military shot conical bullets with moderate powder charges, not round balls.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

Thanks for the Kudos! Old Bridge Black Powder League has never been so much FUN since Lance B. instituted the Winchester/NRA Qualification Program. It has made all of us better Shooters to be sure!

I was actually able to earn the Country's first-ever NRA DX in ml Pistol using my son's out-of-the-box limited-edition charcoal-blue Uberti 1860 Colt Army w/ fluted cylinder, 27 grains of 3Fg Goex, a lubed wonder-wad & Hornady .454 balls. Scores of 85x100 on a NRA B-6 at 50 yards were quite common. So those 1860's CAN shoot, you just have to remember where to point 'em, lol!

Great to hear from you and if you're ever coming back to visit the PR of NJ, look me up ZUG!

Dave

 

[Erzulis boat]

Not an Uberti, but a brand new Pietta 1860 (My first C&B) and it shoots stupid high.
At 10 feet, I had to aim a solid 6" low to bust clays.
Very fun to shoot otherwise.
I am going to get it to shoot POA by front sight or rear notch modification (have not decided yet).
I even loaded 35 grains, and no difference.

.451 Ball, 30 grains 3fg Goex, and .125 felt wad was the best load.

 

[ZUG]

Thanks for the invite - as a matter of fact I'm in NJ now staying with my uncle in Ewing. I'm visiting family & friends and if I get a free day I'll give you a PM and see if we can hook-up. Citizens Rifle & Revolver Club in East Windsor (route 571) is having a Turkey Shoot the 20th and the 27th of this month and I am planning to visit and do some shooting both days - come on over and win a turkey or two :thumbsup: !

 

[frogwalking]

I fiddled with the hammer notch (mototool) in my Uberti 1860 Army, and it shoots right on with round balls now. Plenty accurate for its intended use.

 

[Dphar]

I had a Uberti Colt Walker, that shot right on point of aim at 25 yards. I can't remember the powder charge, but was amazed at the accuracy.

Here's my question. Will the 1860 shot on at 25 yards? I've read that they shoot high. I'm only interested in knowing from someone who has a fairly new "Uberti".

The originals were battle sighted to be "on" at 75 yards or more. Men are tall so being 6" high at 25 yards is not too important.
So they all shoot high. Put on a taller front sight or squeeze the one on them up to reduce this.
The ones that shoot to the sights at 25 are either not as original for sights or are out of spec in some manner related to the bore etc.

Dan

 

[Heelerau]

I have had my colt dragoon and navy front sights changed, still the same style, but all zeroed for 25yds.


cheers

Heelerau