What brand is a 1858 Rem cylinder?

[Pentium]

Wizards of the forum:

I bought a used 1858 Remington cylinder. I was told that it was an Uberti. Am I going nuts or it doesn't quite seem to fit.

How do I know for sure if it is an Uberti?

Things that make me suspicious:

* The new cylinder has a proof mark and the one that came with the gun does not.
* The new cylinder doesn't cock when you get it in.
* The new cylinder is very difficult to get back out
* I could swear the threads on the nipples are different. Not very different, but they don't line up between the cylinders.
* The bluing is somehow a different tint.(Subjective)
* I could swear the two cylinders are a different size. Not by much, but I can feel a difference.(No micrometer to measure it with on hand.)



The proof mark that is on the new cylinder closely resembles the proof mark on the gun. A shield, P N and a star in like a circular sunburst. It looks like the ones on[url] http://gunaccessory.com/Proof_Marks/proofmarks.htm[/url]

OK, that's enough to make me suspicious but before I say that it's definitely wrong I would prefer to get a way of double checking or identifying the source of this mystery cylinder. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

[John Taylor]

I looked at 2 different 58 Rem. copies, the lyman has a proof on the cylinder. The Pietta does not have a proof on the cylinder. I don't know who makes the Lyman but it does say made in Italy.

 

The proof mark that is on the new cylinder closely resembles the proof mark on the gun. A shield, P N and a star in like a circular sunburst. It looks like the ones on[url] http://gunaccessory.com/Proof_Marks/proofmarks.htm[/quote][/url]

The shield, P N and a star in like a circular sunburst proof mark only means is the first proof for blackpowder. This cylinder was made either in Gardone or Brescia.

Is there any other marks? Pietta's mark is usually a diamond with the letters *** inside. Uberti's mark looks like a gear with a U in the middle of it. Its supposed to represent an 1851 Colt Navy muzzle with the lans and grooves circling a U in the center.

Hope this helps,
CP

 

[rebel727]

Wizards of the forum:

I bought a used 1858 Remington cylinder. I was told that it was an Uberti. Am I going nuts or it doesn't quite seem to fit.

How do I know for sure if it is an Uberti?

Things that make me suspicious:

* The new cylinder has a proof mark and the one that came with the gun does not.
* The new cylinder doesn't cock when you get it in.
* The new cylinder is very difficult to get back out
* I could swear the threads on the nipples are different. Not very different, but they don't line up between the cylinders.
* The bluing is somehow a different tint.(Subjective)
* I could swear the two cylinders are a different size. Not by much, but I can feel a difference.(No micrometer to measure it with on hand.)



The proof mark that is on the new cylinder closely resembles the proof mark on the gun. A shield, P N and a star in like a circular sunburst. It looks like the ones on[url] http://gunaccessory.com/Proof_Marks/proofmarks.htm[/url]

OK, that's enough to make me suspicious but before I say that it's definitely wrong I would prefer to get a way of double checking or identifying the source of this mystery cylinder. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

All I can tell you is that proof mark is used on every Italian bp gun made since 1950. Actually it should have two unless they've changed in the last three years. A Gardone proof, a star surrounded by eight lands and grooves over a coat of arms featuring a hammer, anvil and crossed bayoneted rifles. A Gardone and Brescia proof, a star surrounded by eight lands and grooves over the capitol leters PN I know of no way to tell if it's Uberti or not if it doesn't have any other markings on it but from the sound of it it's not. Provided the gun you're trying to put it in is.

 

[Toomuch_36]

I looked at 2 different 58 Rem. copies, the lyman has a proof on the cylinder. The Pietta does not have a proof on the cylinder. I don't know who makes the Lyman but it does say made in Italy.

I have two Lyman '58 Remmington revolvers, one made by Uberti and an earlier one made by Euroarms. The cylinders will NOT interchange one with the other.

To get the correct cylinder for your revolver get the brand name (CVA, Lyman, Navy Arms etc.) then find the manufacturer (Uberti, Euroarms, ASM etc.). Your local firearms dealer can do this for you.
Good luck. :hatsoff:

Toomuch
...........
Shoot Flint

 

[hornetk4]

I did the same thing a few years back , I bought a 1858 replica revolver from a pond shop . Everything was complete it worked very well , but as anyone who has one knows it takes a while between charging all six cylinders then putting in six wads then pressing six balls in and caping six nipples it takes a little of the romance out of shooting the gun . So then I see that cabelas has spare cylinders for only 24 bucks what a deal I can be just like ohl Clint Eastwood in high plains drifter , shoot all six shots then drop out the cylinder then pop in the new one and shoot six more . Heck for the price I outta get 2 or 3 of them , but I figure I'll start of with one first off . When it arrived I was so excited to shoot the pistol I poped the new cylinder in it fit like a glove , High plains here I come but when I pulled the hammer back the cylinder only indexed about 7/8 of the way to the location it needs to fire on . I found that I have to move it into location by hand sort of a gimpy high plains . About this time I'm starting to realize maybe these pistols arent all the same , a little reaserch and I found that there is about 6 different makers of these type pistols over in Italy and most of them are from one family .They look the same but as they say close but no cigar, had I done a little reaserch first I might have saved 24 bucks plus shipping .Then again what the heck I'll find a Umberti at a gun show some day and think gee I should buy that I already got a spare cylinder for it !!! lol