What did I buy? Remington New Model 1859?

[oldguy24]

Posted on this and had to buy it to get pictures to see what it is, who made it and for what purpose. The top of the barrel is marked "E REMINGTON & SONS ILION NEW YORK USA". Bottom of the grip frame is marked with serial number 465100 and stylized "R", left side of barrel "Cal 44", right side of barrel "NEW MODEL 1859", under the loading lever is just "R" and the cylinder has serial number and "R". Left grip panel has cartouche inside oval. Have not taken the grips off but can not find any other markings. I've taken some quick pic's, hope they are OK and see if anybody has a clue. Came out of an estate in New Jersey. I've exhausted every site with any info on the Remmy but nothing fits. I did see one site that showed one made for a Remington anniversary (don't remember who it was contracted to) but had a two line address on top of the barrel. Thoughts/ideas?

 

[oldguy24]

Took the grips off and the number 6455 is stamped on the grip frame and is inked on the inside of the right grip panel. see pic's.

 

[Long Johns Wolf]

Looks like a Remington New Model 1863 Army to me.
If it is an original or a repro I have no idea because I was never really interested in this model.
Long Johns Wolf

 

[russellshaffer]

The stampings on the barrel are very nice. Nothing like on an Italian reproduction, at least the ones I can afford. Are you positive that is a reproduction?

 

[Phil Coffins]

The thing that gives me poss is the color of the bluing, modern salt blue will turn some alloys purple like this but rust blue (old time way) doesn’t.

 

[oldguy24]

I'm 100% sure this is a modern replica that appears to have been built for a specific purpose as noted by the Remington address on top of the barrel as well as several well placed "R"'s on the grip frame, barrel and cylinder in an attempt to add "originality". I think Phil Coffins has it spot on as the bluing on the whole frame does not seem to have been a higher quality as it has several spots showing a copperish/purplish. My issue is that I cannot figure who may have built this or exactly for what purpose, most likely a small production run to commemorate something Remington. It seems to be of excellent quality (minus the bluing job) as function was excellent, good lock-up and slightly higher front sight might make it shoot to point of aim?

 

[ZUG]

I looks like a very nicely made revolver for sure whoever made it. I would also say it is of modern manufacturing and most likely of some limited run production.

 

[russellshaffer]

I bet it came in a presentation case. Does it show any wear at all?

 

[oldguy24]

No signs anywhere that it was ever fired. All the seller knew was that it came out of an estate and that their research could not come up with any info either. It has a lot of similarities to some of the Colt replicas with enough incorrect areas to keep it from being passed off as original. May have been a presentation case at one point but none that made it to the seller.

 

[Bad Karma]

Looks like a very nice replica defarbed but never intended to pass as original. Very nice.

Someone did a particularly nice job on the grips. Also, the oval cartouche is not really correct for Remington as far as I know but I’m far from any sort of expert. I’m sending your pictures to someone who knows these things…

 

[oldguy24]

Aloha Bad Karma, anything back from your friend yet?

 

[Smokerr]

That is one nice gun.

 

[deerstalkert]

Navy arms introduced those in 1960. they called mistakenly called them the model 1858 because of the patent date.
don't know how long they sold them or who made them. would love to be in your shoes! next to the Walker Colt that is my favorite.

 

[oldguy24]

This is not an early Navy Arms though as I was just bidding (and lost) on Remington serial # 58 Navy Arms Bogota NJ and they are clearly marked as Navy Arms. This one is marked E. Remington & Sons Ilion, New York. Originals had patent dates as well as New Model so this is clearly a repo of some type. If it was a defarb, someone spent a bunch to restamp everything. In the process of completely disassembling it and so far have not found anything Italian anywhere. I've also asked the folks on Remington Society and nothing there yet either. Also New Model 1859 is not correct with anything ever built as far as I can tell. It may remain a mystery.

 

[Bad Karma]

Aloha Bad Karma, anything back from your friend yet?

Yes, he’s convinced it is a defarbed replica. There are some talented people in this field who can almost duplicate original stampings. It’s not cheap but if they had a mind to. Thankfully those who possess the skills and talent don’t have the will to cheat.

 

[oldguy24]

Thank you for the input & pics, really nice work. I'm guessing work like that costs a whole bunch more than my budget so I feel pretty fortunate to have picked this one up for a tad over $200. That is absolutely the best guess on solving this puzzle. Thank you very much for all you

 

[Poguetx]

I wonder if it was one of those kits left in the white that Dixie and others sold back in the 1970s and 80s? If so, someone who knew what they were doing put it together.

 

[SDSmlf]

Are the various screw threads metric?

 

[oldguy24]

Just checked the thread on the grip screw and the loading lever screw and they are both M4 X .70, so yes metric.

 

[SDSmlf]

Just checked the thread on the grip screw and the loading lever screw and they are both M4 X .70, so yes metric.

Well you can be pretty confident it is a reproduction of some sort, likely starting its existence in Italy, before some unique finishing occurred.