Same as Hanshi, round needle file, since I like a half round notch. Most needle files get fatter from the point, so I just scrape back and forth with about a quarter inch of the file. When you're getting close, just scrape two or three times, then check for shape and centering, until you like what you see. I think it's better to start too small, then bring your file to the range, and open it up as you shoot in the outside daylight, under real conditions. Somethimes too small in your shop will be just right when you're actually focussing on target outside. Bill