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Isn't that always the question what is it and what's it worth?

I was over to an old friends house last night and he told me he had something to show me and asked me if I could tell him anything about it?

I knew that they had recently returned from a trip up to Michigan to his wife's mothers place. They were bringing back some furniture that had belonged to his wife's Dad who had recently passed from cancer!

This is what he pulled out of a box.


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This picture show what I believe is the Uberti mark!
I almost cut it out of the pic but at the top you can see the 44Cal. stamp.

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On the bottom of the brass trigger guard is stamped a serial number. It is either a "T" or an "R" but, I believe it is a "T", the number is T5527.

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I told him after looking at these markings, that the first mark which looks like a shield that it was a proof mark for the gun, and I explained what it meant to proof a gun. There is another proof mark somewhere on the gun as I remember seeing it, even though it doesn't show up in the pictures. It was either on the cylinder or the barrel but I can't remember right at the moment!
The second mark is a somewhat circular mark,although it is not a circle, as it has serrated edges, (for lack of a better explanation, as I could not really make out what it was) and has PN under it.
It is followed up by XXVI. I told him I was unsure what the last two markings meant but figured it had something to do with the manufacturing date or the model. However I wasn't for sure but, I knew some guys who could probably tell me all about it!

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I told him as much as I could about it and that I was not extremely keen on black powder pistols,but I though it was Uberti replica black powder gun, 44cal.

He said that his wife's Dad had had it for some time as my friend's wife remembered going out behind the barn to shoot it, as a kid.

Her Dad was a dairy farmer and of German descent.There is an area in that part Michigan were she is from that most folks are pretty much from German decent.
My buddy's father in law's wife, (his mother in law) was born and raised in that area and when his father in law and mother in law were first married his mother in law spoke no English at all, just German. Her husband taught her English after they were married as he was German but had been brought up speaking English!
His mother in law is still alive and still today has a heavy German accent as well as the Michigan brogue. I have meant her before a couple of times and I have to listen really close to understand what she is saying!

Back to the pistol. I can tell you this much, it is 44 cal. as it is stamped on the side of it.

What model it was and how old it was I wasn't sure. And then of course he asked how much is it worth?

I told him I was unsure but I knew where to go to ask and get the info for him. So here I am guys! enlighten me so I can pass the info to my friend.

Oh, and this is the one he is most intrigued with but he has got another that actually intrigues me more.............. It is a flint lock replica but that is for another post as I don't have pics of it yet.

OH, on a funny side note. I was explaining how the pistol was loaded and about coating the end of the cylinder with grease to prevent a chain fire.

He turns to his wife and says, "you know that circular can that was in that box and I thought was some kind of boot polish or water treatment, I know what it was for now"! :wink:
 
Sir - XXVI = 1970 date

PN = Pulvero Nero = black powder.

The serial does not usually begin with a letter - another look, please?

Brass-framed revolver in very good condition - looks almost unfired, and might interest a Uberti collector. I don't live much in the USA, but I'd figure on one like this selling for around $250-300 - mainly based on the fine condition and 'patina', so please DO NOT CLEAN IT!!! THAT alone would make it an interesting piece to own.

I'd like it. :thumbsup:

tac, stuck on eighteen guns
 
Guys I appreciate all the info and will pass it onto my buddy!

I guessed/estimated that it was worth $200.00 - $400.00 so looks like I was high on the upper end! For one I was basing that on that it was an older piece and the condition it is in! It is pristine shape! But I told him it would depend some on the model it was and where it dated from!

I am going to try and get some pics of the reproduction flintlock he picked up also. It has some info on it on a card that he got with it, tells about the manufacturer and some other info!

It looks as if may have been fired,but not much!
 
It might be worth that much to a Uberti collector.

I disagree with the 1862 Navy Pocket Colt thought because this pistol has a round barrel along with the old style 1851 Colt Navy loading lever.

What the pistol looks like to me is a Brass framed Confederate Griswold & Gunnison which did have the old style Colt loading lever, a round barrel and a brass frame.

The weird thing about it is that it is a .44 caliber. The Griswold & Gunnison was a .36 caliber pistol.

Uberti has built a reputation for producing guns that are correct reproductions and the fact that this guns rebated cylinder along with the cutout to clear the larger rebated cylinder indicates it was made as .44 from the beginning.
As this is not historically correct, in my mind it makes the gun an oddity.

That is not saying the gun is particularly rare but it certainly goes against the policy Uberti has tried to develop over the years.
 
Thanks Zonie I don't know the difference in the models, that is on reason for me asking on here as to what it was!

I was about 99.9% sure it was a Uberti, and that it was 44cal. but after that I was lost! I knew by handling it that it was in great condition. I am sure he will never sell it as it belonged to his father in law. Kind of doubt he will ever shoot, if so not over once. He is not a gun nut and really doesn't know about BP. He knew I was interested in BP and figured I could tell him some more about it!

Like I said earlier I had told him that I was pretty sure it was a replica made by Uberti and that it was a 44cal. but I didn't know what model of replica it was.

Would a confirmation on the serial number on the trigger guard help for better identification?

I emailed him yesterday with the info I had on it and told him to take another look at the serial number and see if he could tell in the good sunlight exactly what that first mark was whether it was a "T" an "R" or something else! He is working this weekend so I haven't heard back from him yet!
 
It is tuff to make the call on what model it is.

It has a plain fluted cylinder and notched water table,
The old style loading lever,
and is .44 (that's a stumper?)

All that is an odd mix when compared to current Uberti offerings.

What we know is it's a 1970 Uberti,
I'd email Uberti with a few photo's and ask them,
:idunno:
 
I agree with what Zonie wrote above.

Also agree with necchi writing:

"You could tell him value around $200-250. I've seen these at gun shows for around $150.
Heirloom = Priceless "

In that era Uberti made lots of these. They also came in .36 caliber. These Uberti's were the best of the mass produced brass frame guns sold in the USA in that time frame. While the gun looks like a Griswold & Gunnison as Zonie said; the boxes they came in were marked " Reb 60 ". Some makers followed demand and made what sold the best and often got creative with changes and names for marketing purposes.

Regarding the frame serial number, having enlarged the picture and based on experience, I would opine that there is a deeply struck number " 1 " as the start of the serial number, not an alphabet letter.

Certainly a nice priceless family heirloom.
 
That may be a "1" it looks odd to be a "T" and really doesn't look like an "R".

Figuring that way the would make the serial number 15527!

So is there a way to look up the serial number and tell more about the gun?
 
I got on Uberti site and sent them an email with what I think is the serial number 15527!

Now all I can do is sit back and see if they can shed any light on the pistol!
 
Yep, a Uberti knockoff of a Southern copy of the Colt Navy/Army. There were steel framed versions as well but the brass framed version sold for less. A lot of people got started with a pistol like it. Problem was the brass couldn't take a steady diet of heavy or even standard loads and began to "loosen" up making accurate shots hard. If someone decides to shoot it, keep the loads light. I would recommend against shooting it. What is it worth? What ever someone is willing to pay.Since I bought an 1861 navy rep for around $100 near the same time and it was steel framed, I'd offer maybe $60-75 tops for it, but that's me. Someone else it might be worth more. Good luck.
 
+1 to what David said. I would further add that if you shoot it, I would recommend light to moderate loads of 2F, not 3F.

Street value: $75-125. Family heirloom: priceless.
 
it is not a repro. of any onr gun. it has the round barrel and brass frame of a southern version of a 51 navy. it has a cylinder of a .44 army. it is at best a composit of three guns.

worth about $100.

now about this shooting lose. don't worry about it. i have worked on these guns for about 30 years never seen one shot lose. have seen the threads pulled from trying to ram balls made from wheel weights.
 
I have a similar one, but mine is a Navy Arms. It was manufactured back in 1989. I paid $100 for it and a reloading kit at a gun show. This was about 5 years ago. Mine has a 5" barrel instead of the standard longer barrel. But I alway figured I got mine at a bargain. I would estimate the value, without holding the gun and only going by the pictures at around 150 to 200 American bucks. I fire 20 grains of 777, or 22 grains of fffg. Uses a .451 round ball.
 
Is there a site somewhere I can go to check the serial number as I believe the Uberti site I went to has blown me off.

They have had enough time to at least email me and say we don't know or care and they haven't even done that!!!!!!!!!!! :shake:
 
Don't know of a list of Uberti serial numbers. Jack and necchi's posts show year of proofing in 1970 so that is very close to what a serial number list might provide.

Back in the late 1990's when Uberti was still under it's original ownership I spoke to Maria Uberti (Aldo's daughter who worked in the USA) and asked about records on Uberti Santa Fe Hawken rifles. Maria said they did not have records on the Hawken. Since others now own Uberti I doubt there is much information available to the public.

Bear in mind that you emailed Uberti on 5-27-12, just a few days ago, and Uberti likely gets a very large volume of information requests.

Absolutely no offense intended, but I doubt Uberti can tell you much about this revolver. It's detail has been well discussed in this thread.

You already have done a fine favor educating your friend about the revolver. :thumbsup:
 
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