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I'm picking up 3 barrels at the Carlisle show in a couple of weeks.
The one barrel I ordered is a 37" Edward Marshall profile barrel in 58.
I plan to build a gun to sell, with large features, a wide butt, and guard.
The lock has me held up.
I will not use L&R, there's nothing there that catches my eye plus I just don't care for them.
Chambers makes the Early Germanic but they just don't have the profile I care for, I could alter it but I'd rather not.
I have considered the Siler gun builders lock with the big square plate you can cut out and shape yourself, but I feel the other components are too small. Plus I don't like how narrow the bolster is, it doesn't kick the lock far enough away from the barrel to give it a nice robust lock molding on the side of the gun.
On my personal hunting gun I used a Davis Colonial and I absolutely love it, the profile, the function, it's great. It has a very wide bolster allowing nice form and mould around the panels of the gun.
Here is the problem, while Track sells them for $225, they aren't ready to go. At least mine wasn't.
With mine the **** screw threads didn't align with the tapped threads on the flintcock. Almost like trying to use metric to standard, it would bind on the threads rather than clamp a flint. I call Larry Zornes and sent it back to Mould & Gun Shop and they fixed it. Shipping was about $20 but they replaced the screw and the upper flint jaw no charge.
Next issue, the tumbler notch for full **** was fairly deep requiring a heavy pull, I took it to Allen Martin and he used his jewelers files or stones I forget what he called em, to make the full **** notch less drastic. (I don't have jewelers files for hardened steel) so I pitched him $40 for the help.
Once the gun was built I shot it, oh maybe 50 times and it quit sparking. Like done, nothing. New flint, knapped flint, it was very unreliable.
I ended up taking it down to Brad Emig. He didn't have much care for the locks, so he said.
He did work it over, by messing with hardness of frizzen spring, and some other things I can't remember what all, I'd have to look at the bill, but it was $120 plus the drive 1¼ drive down and back twice.
So that darn lock cost me $225+$20+$40+$120=$405 and the running around.
Call me crazy but at least I know what I'm up against if I buy another.
I keep looking at all these options in locks and I just don't see anything that suit me but everytime I look at the Davis Colonial, I really think, that's the one! I am tempted to buy another one, maybe it'll be better than the first, one can hope.
Maybe it'll just be the cost of having what I want on this gun.
What has your experiences been with RE Davis locks? I've read a # of Forums on them. They seem hit or miss.

Now before I end this long winded post, another lock I like similar in look is the A. TVLLE lock that track sells, however they had some changed made in the internal parts which I've been told by several people they aren't what the older ones were.

I'll upload a post of my lock on my 58 and locks on original guns that I like for an early gun maybe what you'd call transitional piece.
Germanic, with large features, yet shaped beautifully in all the right places.

Sorry I feel like at times on these topics I'm a little all over the board with my thoughts but you get the jist.
I guess I am asking opinions and options.
Thanks
I built a nice Gillespie rifle a few years ago and I had a choice if a Chambers late Ketland or a Davis Common.
I chose the Davis because to me it fit the “look” better.
Oh how I wish I had chose the Ketland.
Now this pretty nice rifle has a mediocre at best lock.
It might shoot....
It might not.
I really regret using that Davis.
 
18th Century Artisan's Show
Carlisle Expo Center
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February 2-February 3, 2024

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Yep, or find someone who knows what he's doing to build it for you. Builder makes a world of difference.
Might be something to try someday.
I would attempt but I don't know much when it comes to tempering frizzens or springs.
 
I have two Davis Colonials. Both are very good locks. They are large locks that take 7/8” flints that throw a lot of sparks to the right place. They both required a bit of clean-up and polishing, but I would rather do that myself anyway.
 
why not ask Brad Cabin creek for his advise and he will be at the 18th cent. show (all my locks get his tune up well worth the money)
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Come to think of it Allen had one in his lock drawer at his work bench, for his son's upcoming jeager build.
Nice locks. I don't know what they cost but I'll bet they're $450 or more. CNC machines don't pay for themselves making locks at $250
Sorry I missed this post earlier… Our 1740’s Germanic lock is currently priced at $365 (there are no cast parts) we are getting ready to make another run of 100. If interested you can send me a PM.

Here is a picture of our lock as it comes to the customer.


Thanks
Chris Laubach
www.williamsburgforge.com
 

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Hi,
Chris's is the best Germanic lock made today. Nothing else comes close. It is the only lock made that I would use right out of the box with no tweaking or polishing, and ready for engraving.

dave
Yes I contacted him.
I know theyre good partly because are a lock that's not often available 😉
 
I have a Davis Early Germanic lock on a gun I built about 35 years ago . It’s certainly not got a bolster as thick as the one you pictured but it’s a hefty lock that sparks wonderfully. It had a nice shape to it but not sure if you could alter it, not even sure if they are available any more. But you'll find something… happy hunting 🙂
The Davis Jager & a prototype Larry Zorns have prouved very good locks but I've not bought any new locks for 20 years I did use L&R & Mack Vance locks no problem then. I did like the Davis Twigg & he was allway's good at serviceing , Chambers locks very similar but equally good .You came a long way from 'Blue grass 'locks Maslins and the like . I started with India made locks still got some they work up fine . The worst I had I made into my own.'New Zealand Poor boy' as it was dubbed in the US & kept it there for R vous put a 50 cal option to its original 45 & now its back in NZ it sport a 54 option The last two barrels where not rejects but the first when made was all of rejects . From NZ barrel maker Tony Hawkins for who I worked on Development & he paid me in barrels.' firsts' but the odd 'second' stock I made use of just the pistol grip stock blanks that came under size from his duplicarver ones the Poor boy flint the other a 24 bore belted ball two grouve rust steak barrel but its seen a lot of bush miles .and popped more Deer than any one other in my' battery '. I doubt I've 5 pounds in it but its a pet .
wandering off track (I did a lot of that )
Regards Rudyard
 
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