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Here's a video showing the function and reliability of a wheel lock.
https://youtu.be/rSmRpeEA0MY

Makes me wonder how it ever fell into obscurity....
 
Hi CC,
The video is by our friend and fellow forum member, Raszpla. He probably makes the best wheelocks made today and ones that exhibit the reliability of the originals, unlike most of the low cost reproductions available today. Wheelocks went out of favor because:
1. They were expensive to make
2. Compared with the flintlock, the mechanism was complicated and they required highly skilled workmen to repair and adjust.
3. The iron pyrite was fragile and more difficult to obtain compared with flints
4. Flash from the pan built up between the wheel and the lock plate often causing the wheel to jam. That is why mainsprings on wheelocks usually were very stout.
5. Most required a spanner to wind, an additional tool that could get lost.
6. Ignition was generally very fast but the added complexity, size, weight, care, and expense out weighed that advantage and favored the flintlock.

Finally, there was strong financial incentive for gunmakers to pursue military contracts and the wheelock was very limited (largely owing to the reasons above) as a military gun. That is why most armies transitioned from matchlocks directly to flintlocks. Certainly, there was an elite civilian market for wheelocks but most gunmakers struggled financially in that realm, with some famous exceptions.

dave
 
I think that the wheel lock is a good choice for the modern BP aficionado.
I want one something fierce but they cost too much.
For the price of a good wheel lock I can buy 2-3 complete cap lock rifles.
 
With todays well made wheellocks can you all use a flint?
I carry a palm sized hunk of pyrits in my fire kit. I get a good shower of sparks, some that even caught in tow or shreded cattail nest when the spark missed the rag tinder.
 
It is true that the wheel lock was the fastest and most reliable form of ignition till the coming of percussion and even that didn't completely stop their manufacture. The complexity of the design may even have been a selling point, as argued by some, and even today we marvel at it's engineering. Have a friend who makes them from scratch and it's no mean feat. Dennis's work is a joy to see. I might argue the extra part to lose aspect of the lock design since many original illustrations suggest the shooters kept the spanners tied to the belt, saddle holster or around their necks. Were it me, I'd know where the stinking thing was at all times! :wink: They are remarkable pieces of machinery and I, for one, am glad to see some makers duplicating them now.
 
Tenngun:

With todays well made wheellocks can you all use a flint?
I carry a palm sized hunk of pyrits in my fire kit. I get a good shower of sparks, some that even caught in tow or shreded cattail nest when the spark missed the rag tinder.

You can, but then the flint will wear down the wheel in a very short time. Iron pyrite was used because the rock was softer than the hardened steel that was used on the wheel.

Slowmatch Forever!
Teleoceras
 
Hi,
Wheelock wheels generally have ridges and cross cuts that bite into the pyrite to produce sparks. Those ridges would wear down quickly with a flint. However, you could make a smooth wheel that might hold up for quite a while. I have no idea how long it would last. A problem though, is that the dog holding the pyrite is designed to hold the stone square against the wheel, not at an angle. That geometry would likely dull flints really fast.

dave
 
Doesn't a flintlock chip pieces of hot iron off the steel while a wheel lock chips pyrophoric dust off the pyrites? I think they are very different things :hmm:
 
Hi Robin,
Yes they are very different things. That is why I mentioned the grooves and cuts on the wheel designed to bite off shards of pyrite for sparks. A flint would scrape those grooves and ridges down to create sparks from the incendiary steel from the wheel. A smooth wheel, however, might serve more like a frizzen, allowing the flint to scrape sparks for quite a while before needing to be changed. But a likely problem is that the flint touches the wheel at a right angle, which would dull the flint quickly. Of course, that angle could be adjusted a little to reduce that problem but that might involve bending or replacing the dog.

dave
 
Hi Tenngun,
In the wheelock I have, I've used hard pyrite crystals. They littered a shot rock logging road in Southeast Alaska to the point where the road actually glittered in the headlights at night. I cut the crystals into small rectangular bars that fit in the dog. The crystals I've tested last at least 25-30 flashes each time creating a lot of sparks (the lock is not yet mounted on a gun but I have sparked it many times like Raszpla's video to see how well the system works). Some use more friable pyrite that tends to crumble after a few shots. Pyrites tend not to have the longevity of flints.

dave
 
I use a tile saw. My pyrites are a bit soft so I have to be very light on the pressure.
 
do you have any extras you might sell? I am in anchorage and don't often get down to southeast; hve a really nice wheelock and would like some reliable pyrite.
 
Hi Cable,
I am heading to Dixon's gun makers fair tomorrow but I will see what I have when I get back. If I have enough cut chunks I'll send you some, no charge. I don't live in Southeast AK anymore. I moved to Vermont in 2013. However, FYI, the logging road is the White River Road on Revillagigedo Island (where Ketchikan is). About 3-4 miles beyond the gate at Brown Mountain Road intersection, the shot rock in the road is littered with thousands of pyrite crystals and there is much more in the adjacent stone quarries used to build the road. You have to get permission from Cape Fox Corporation to drive down the road beyond the gate. I often just hiked down to get the crystals.

dave
 
thank you and thanks for the info. I have a great Wheelock made by leonard day, a copy of John Alden's gun.

it would be nice to use it more, and actually take it hunting.

I appreciate your help !
 
I know a Polish guy that makes wheelocks kinda cheap (or atleast cheaper then others), if you guys want a "source" for wheellocks.

He post videos on youtube:

[youtube]aUm34qiRiHo[/youtube]
 
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Pierres-brutes-pyrite-cubique-0-5-a-1-5-cm-20-grammes-/151752482062?hash=item2355271d0e
 
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