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When casting, what's a sub for a leather apron?

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OB OBrien

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I'm going to begin casting sometime soon?? Will be using a plumbers pot and or a cast iron skillet over a propane fish cooker on a stand. In a pole barn with a fan blowing cross wind from me.

Know I will or should use a leather apron, but don't have one. Have a heavy battery handlers apron but it's just thick polypropaline. So what's a good substitute for a leather apron.? :idunno:

Thanks for the help.
OIB
 
You don't want anything that will melt. Cotton or wool doesn't melt.
I've never felt the need for that level of protection, but for a newbie, it's not a bad idea until you find your comfort level.
Take your time, and enjoy.
 
Canvas will work if it is the older heavy canvas. most but not all older canvases were treated with a fire proofing. Not really fire proof but at least fire resistant.
 
I have used a light denim, cotton shop apron for 50 years, without problems. Its not going to save you from spilling an entire pot of molten lead in your lap, or on your thighs, but then, neither will a leather apron! It does protect you from the occasional drip or splatter.

Your hands and arms are in greater need of protecting, so wear long sleeves, and heavy gloves. The one serious burn I have suffered from molten lead was a drop that hit the back of my hand. Also, wear eye protection, and consider wearing some kind of mask to protect your lungs from any lead fumes. Use a fan to keep the heat and smoke/fumes away from you.

Lead has to be heated to over 950 degrees F. before it becomes gaseous, while it melts at about 650 degrees. That is a lot of leeway, so you should not have a problem of breathing in lead GAS.
 
I have used a light denim, cotton shop apron for 50 years, without problems. Its not going to save you from spilling an entire pot of molten lead in your lap, or on your thighs, but then, neither will a leather apron! It does protect you from the occasional drip or splatter.

Your hands and arms are in greater need of protecting, so wear long sleeves, and heavy gloves. The one serious burn I have suffered from molten lead was a drop that hit the back of my hand. Also, wear eye protection, and consider wearing some kind of mask to protect your lungs from any lead fumes. Use a fan to keep the heat and smoke/fumes away from you.

Lead has to be heated to over 950 degrees F. before it becomes gaseous, while it melts at about 650 degrees. That is a lot of leeway, so you should not have a problem of breathing in lead GAS.
 
One thing that I do that I don't think many others do, is I cast standing up. My pot is sitting on a stand that I made to raise it to the comfort level that I want.
The way I figure it, I'd like to be able to get out of Dodge in a hurry should something happen. I don't relish the thought of a lap full of lead.
 
If you have a tent maker in your vicinity, you can get canvas from them treated with fire retardant. Then you can make your own.
 
Hello,

I'm at the point where I just wear long sleeves made from cotton and denim jeans. A pure denim shirt would work too.

I personally am to the point where it doesn't bother me. I've been casting a LOT the past two days, got a bit of lead on my hands twice - just small drops each time - and to me they feel like mosquito bites. I flick 'em off.

I've been visited by the Tinsel Fairy exactly once, and it was an interesting experience. But the lead lost heat quickly, I mean, it's not Willy Peter or anything, so it just lost heat. The epidermal layer chars just a bit (usually not through the Stratum corneum, and certainly not through the Stratum lucidum).

I have no scars from any burns. The heat doesn't penetrate the layers of skin which shed.

This is NOT advice to go out and be reckless or not wear safety equipment. That's where you have to make your own decisions. But it's really not as dangerous as it can be with a total idiot casting. Remember, that's who the books are for - the lowest common denominator.

Keep water away from the site, don't eat or drink or smoke, have adequate ventilation (lead FUMES don't form in any appreciable amount until around 1500°F; most furnaces do not go that high), and just use common sense. You'll be fine.

Lately, the Cast Bullet Handbook in any of its editions has been hard to find, but I highly recommend it. If you can't find one on Amazon or wherever, shoot me a PM and I'll dig mine out and send it to you. (This is in bold because I do believe it's that important).

You'll find your own rhythm, and man, when you do, you'll be rockin'.

For example, I start by melting the lead and preheating the moulds on the side of the furnace for half an hour. I take the mould near the back and lay it on an insulating, non-flammable surface, pure cotton usually. I leave the middle one, and cast 10 with the front one. After I cast 10, that mould takes the place of the one on the cotton, the one on the furnace is rotated to use, and the one that was on the cotton is put on the furnace. Using this rotation method, I can empty a 4lb top fill pot in no time, and have a bunch of .440" balls, .490" balls, and .452" 230gn bullets when I'm done.

If you're only using one mould, I'd keep a wet washcloth safely aside from the furnace, but there, folded up. When you start overheating the mould (and you will; you'll start frosting the bullets), start touching the sprue plate to the washcloth before cutting the sprue. This will cool down the boolits so they don't frost, and keep you casting longer between cool down breaks.

It's more of a black art than a science though, so experimentation is key.

Josh
 
I run my balls standing up and have had not a misshap so far ,I don't use an apron but I guess it wouldn't hurt to have one ...you'd be suprized how your attention is sharpened with a laddle of hot lead in one hand and a ball mould in the other .
 
You said a mouthful Hawk. It wouldn't hurt to wear an apron, but it shouldn't be a substitute for safe casting practices. You should adopt a casting routine that ensures that no lead can ever spill, splash, pop, or drip on your body.

I'll use my system as an example. I use heavy welding gloves and I set up in my dirt driveway. I place a swivel chair between the pot and the bucket that catches the balls. I lean forward to the pot, so that the mold is at arms length from my body when I pour. I pour over the pot, close to the lead, so that the overfill runs back into the pot. The mold is close enough so that the lead falling from the mold never splatters. When the lead is hard, I cut the sprue and grab the hardened overfill chunck and quickly place it back in the pot. All this is done while I'm holding everything at arms length, so that if anything ever dropped or spilled, it would happen way in front of my feet, and away from my body. Next, I spin the chair almost 180 degrees and drop the balls into the bucket. The bucket has a damp towel in the bottom to soften the drop and cool the balls. With this routine, the only way lead can touch my skin would be if I refilled the pot with lead that had trapped moisture in it, which would cause the lead to spew up. So I usually don't refill the pot while the lead is molten unless I'm absolutly sure the lead is dry, like small smooth pieces I got from my shop.

You can come up with your own version of a safe routine, but the point is to keep that lead away from your body, and in a way that it can't spill on you even if their is an accident.

In thirty some years of casting, I've never used an apron, and can't remember ever having the slightest bit of molten lead touch my skin or clothes. If there's a potential for that, you should adjust your casting system.

I think any kind of heavy cotton or denim apron would be appropriate for added security (couldn't hurt), just make sure they have no pockets. Bill
 
Harbor Freight sells their leather aprons pretty reasonable. Picked up two (one for me and one for my son) the other day. Can also be ordered on line

Vern
 
Be sure to wear a pair of old jeans and old leather work shoes. Depending on how long the casting session will be, the lower portion of your pants and tops of your shoes will be covered with tiny droplets of molten lead which can be the dickens to get out. You usually won't notice it until you are cleaning up. Will also decorate your nice wood deck if that is where you happen to be having a casting party.
 
Bovey said:
Will also decorate your nice wood deck if that is where you happen to be having a casting party.

Ya I learned that one.
I was actually just messing around with my small electric pot trying to get it empty as I'm not using it any more and thought I'd just step out on the deck and cast a few.
Bad Idea, I didn't cause any real damage, but there were more than a few flecks I had to pick out.
Switched to cookin with gas baby,(Coleman stove) and delegated the task to the garage. The stuff sweeps off real easy from the concrete floor.
 
I use an old lined levi jacket (thing is 30 yrs old) and thick leather gloves. I wear glasses all the time (can't even HEAR without them) Make sure to wear leather shoes ! You don't need to wear a spacesuit. :rotf:
nilo52
 
Good advice and a great idea. Have to go to town this afternoon, so think I'll go to Harbour Freight and pick up an apron.
Been studying all this stuff about black powder while recovering from rectal cancer and have really gotten into it. Boy is it addicting. Have an Investarms 50 cal w/two barrels for it and two Ky 45s with a brand new 45 cal CVA barrel. Have to brown that one and decide to either take the sights off of one of the other ones or just get some new sights. Also have a 457 ROA and a 1858 Remington New Army 44 made by Uberti along with all the moulds. So now I'm almost ready to get to pouring and shooting.
A big thanks to all of you
for all the help.
OB
 
Just don't try to pick up that frying pan with moltan lead in it.The weight will shift and you'll lose it all and possibly recieve a serious burn or just plain wreck something in lead. Don't ask me how I know
 
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