Wonder Lube

[leslie]

I bought a32cal drop in bbl from GM and in the manual it said not to use wonder lube.I e-mailed Gm and the reply said ok to use on patches but not as preservative,because,in their experience bore butter trapped moisture causing barrel damage.I certainly won't dispute GM but I have used WL and Borebutter for years with great success and no rust.IMO proper drying is the problem, any lighter than water lube would possibly cause the same problem,except for WD40 or Ballistol or some other water displacing lube.Has anyone had this problem using WL or similar products?

 

[roundball]

I bought a32cal drop in bbl from GM and in the manual it said not to use wonder lube.I e-mailed Gm and the reply said ok to use on patches but not as preservative,because,in their experience bore butter trapped moisture causing barrel damage.I certainly won't dispute GM but I have used WL and Borebutter for years with great success and no rust.IMO proper drying is the problem, any lighter than water lube would possibly cause the same problem,except for WD40 or Ballistol or some other water displacing lube.Has anyone had this problem using WL or similar products?

:agree: whole heartedly with you...I've use nothing but NL1000 for 15 years now, bores are still like mirrors.

However...I do think that there could have been / should be more clarification and emphasis by the bore butter manufacturers on the use of bore butter as a bore lube...on the absolute necessity of 100% cleaning, 100% drying, and 100% lubing...specifically using ENOUGH bore butter.

TC's "cleaning & seasoning" patches prelubed with NL1000 can be misleading to someone starting out...they could read the directions and reasonably conclude that you can just run one of these patches downbore and everything would be hunky-dory...t'ain't so.

IMO they are terribly lacking in enough lube to really plaster / grease up the entire bore surfaces to keep the air from getting to it, hence the long term storage comment...by contrast, a few months ago I checked a muzzleloader that had been in it's case for the past four years and the bore was still perfect, because I heavily gooped it up with bore butter before I cased it.

The only reason I use it is because I can "shoot forever" without wiping between shots...and I like that when I go to the range on weekends...the stuff works perfectly, just have to execute the steps of cleaning, drying, and lubing all the way.
:redthumb:

 

[Rat]

What is the difference between wonder lube 1000 and bore butter?

Rat
NRPA

 

[roundball]

What is the difference between wonder lube 1000 and bore butter?

Rat
NRPA

Same - same...the term "bore butter" is a common or generic term.
ie: like the term "golf balls"...there are "top-flite" golf balls, "titleist" golf balls, etc.

"Wonderlube" is one company's name for their borebutter;

"Natural Lube 1000" is TC's marketing name for their borebutter;


You and I can make up our home made version mixing bees wax and all sorts of stuff, and call that our "bore butter"...a thick greasy butter-like substance we use to lube our bores

:m2c:

 

[irishjim]

I was told years ago by the staff at the Log Cabin Shop in Lodi, Ohio not to trust bore butter, wonder lube, etc as a preservative for barrels. All those products are just some form of animal by products. Basically lard with yellow dye.

I use a product they recommended called Cleanzoil. It is suppose to nuetralize any blackpowder left after cleaning and prevent rust. After my normal soap and hot water scrub I use a good bore cleaning product like Birchwood then several liberal swabs of Cleanzoil. A small bottle is now about $8 - $9.

I do recommend swabbing the barrel with alcohol and snapping a few caps prior to the next firing.

 

[Rat]

Ok thanks, and to add to the confusion one outfit markets theirs as "BoreButter".

I've been using "Wonder Lube 1000 Plus" as a patch lube, and it's worked real well there, I don't use it for any kind of a preservative, even though on the back of the container it says it can be used for anything from a patch lube to a stock oil, leather preservative, to a cure for cancer and an end to all wars. Sure does smell good but they don't mention using it for perfume. Wonder if it tastes good on toast?

Oh well, have a couple of different lubes to try out this summer.

Rat
NRPA

 

[Zonie]

After the expriments Stumpkiller did, I think a concoction using Caster Oil is the grand master of preventing rust in a muzzleloader bore.

Having said that, I will admit I use Sheath with a light coat of Johnsons Paste Wax over the top of it.
Never had a problem.

 

[Bushwhacker]

I've used and sold many, many cases of wonder lube the past 18 years. Never heard any complaints yet. It's mostly made of dehydroglated (SP) Lanolin and a wintergreen odor added. Clean by barrel with WATER only. Never use any petroleum solvents. A barrel has to be seasoned just like a cast iron skillet. I run a few patches to dry it out and lube up a patch with wonder lube and...rammer down the bore. Leave ramrod in untill you're ready to use it again. Barrel is shiny as a new dime. I also use wonder lube to keep my Bow from drying out. Good for water proofing and a drill and tap lubricant.The Grey Beards say it's also good for chapped lips. WAUGHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
BUSHWHACKER

 

[Old40Rod]

I wonder if GM's recommendation on not using WL also had to do with increased potential for fouling in small caliber barrel. I don't have a .32, but we have a .36 CVA Bobcat my youngest son shoots. When we took it out the first time I had my son using WL prelubed patches and we quickly gunked up (the barrel had be thoroughly cleaned prior to shooting). I cleaned out the barrel, switched to ticking with Hoppe's BP patch lube :shocking: and shot fifty straight with no problems. I hear tell gunking is a bigger problem in the small caliber rifles.

Everyone uses something different, but you need to 1) get it dry, and 2) coat it good, whatever you use for lube following cleaning.

:m2c:

 

[Rat]

Interesting experience with the .36" OldRod...WL has given me much more, less fouled shots out of my big bores. When I used it with the Jaeger, (.62) loading effort never really increased. Haven't tried it in my smoothbore yet, (still using a pig-grease concoction...but now I've got Birddog6 lube and WL to try in it) but seems to work good in my minnie-rifles.

I have got more shots out of my smoothie (it's up to six shots without wiping...I use a tight ball patch combo) after switching to Swiss powder and Wonder Wads though...but no "gunking" really, just a normal, smooth layer of BP fouling. So, maybe bore size...or some other variable??

No offense Bushwhacker, but I've never used water on a BP firearm, and that adds up to 30 years. Don't "always" say always!!

:m2c: :sorry:

Rat

 

[shmrck1]

charlie,
i've used bore butter for about everything at one time or another never had any problems. it is terrible on toast though :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:
snake-eyes eace: :thumbsup:

 

[mewing6003]

I have used nothing but "bore butter" aka "wonderlube" on a very heavily used springfield 1861 for over three years now. not one speck of rust in the barrel. i clean with a mix of murphys oil soap and water and the dry the heck outta the bore. slather on the bore butter and i am done. shine a light down the bore and it nearly blinds you!

it also works great on the maple stock of that springfield!

never tired it on toast though. made a trip to cabelas in PA and found some "new" bore butter, they now have a green pine scent. :results: :imo:

 

[Rat]

Wow an 1861 with a Maple stock? That's interesting.

Picked up a '61 this last fall as a back-up rifle for my flinters, and all around fun-gun and shooter. Ya gotta LOVE that hammer. Bought it sight-unseen (except for pics) over the net and it far exceeded my expectations...what a nice rifle the nice people sent me. (!!!!) Seriously!

Got to hunt with it for a couple weeks and really enjoyed using it/hunting with it.

'61 Springfields are VERY cool rifles. But anyhow, been lubing the 456 grain REAL I use in it with Wonder Lube 1000 "Plus" also, and using a Wonder Wad under the slug. That was a pretty clean-shooting combo. Was using T7 but will switch to Swiss next time I shoot it.

Rat