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Actually US & CS purchased Tower and Enfield rifles did not have full British markings. The locks may have had the crown BUT did not have the VR
Actually US & CS purchased Tower and Enfield rifles did not have full British markings. The locks may have had the crown BUT did not have the VR
It has 2 crown stamps on the inside of the lock.Actually US & CS purchased Tower and Enfield rifles did not have full British markings. The locks may have had the crown BUT did not have the VR
I do believe you are correct. The VR was omitted. There are some with the contractors names on the plates as well. All I have seen have had some form of legal British proof though.Actually US & CS purchased Tower and Enfield rifles did not have full British markings. The locks may have had the crown BUT did not have the VR
External markings. Internal markings are assembly inspection.It has 2 crown stamps on the inside of the lock.
Because the US & CS governments bought mostly BSAT (Tower) and a few London (Enfield) muskets that were of the Type 1,2&3 patterns (mostly type 3) as approved by the English government. They had full British markings, all contractor markings, legal proofs etc. Some CS guns had additional markings added when they got here. Your musket IS NOT an American Civil War gun, and anyone that has put more than a 10 minute study into them will tell you that.
Enfield muskets did not have twist steel barrels.
Mine has the adjustable sight. That sight pictured was by someone elseThere was an attempt to buy Enfield Pattern Rifles from Belgium during the civil war but the quality was so poor they were rejected but having said that; the back sight pictured looks very like the Indian ones I've seen. Perhaps Rudyard has an opinion?
The CSA used lots of .58 cal. (.577) three band P-1853 Enfield percussion rifles. Also, he USA bought some to supplement their supply of .58 cal, M-1861 Springfields.I found an original civil war Enfield
Who’s civil war?
Not US civil war.
That wasn’t in question.The CSA used lots of .58 cal. (.577) three band P-1853 Enfield percussion rifles. Also, he USA bought some to supplement their supply of .58 cal, M-1861 Springfields.
Absolutely agree all had some form of British proof/markings. Enfields had prolific inspectors marks on virtually every part including screws. For muskets intended for native use I believe they stamped an N above the date stamp on the lock. Also the example I have has the N stamped on the barrel next to the rear sight as well.I do believe you are correct. The VR was omitted. There are some with the contractors names on the plates as well. All I have seen have had some form of legal British proof though.
You really do need to post pictures, detailed pictures.If I may jump into this thread. Hello, yesterday I purchased two (almost identical) Enfield's from an unusually attractive antique store in northwestern Indiana. I've done the research and they are dated 1861 Enfield and 1857 Tower (both have crown/VR behind the hammer). Both have a faint stamp of "London" on the right side of the stock. '57 has a unique symbol on the left stock (inscribed lines like arrows with dots on top of a dent with dots around it). '61 has the date 1861 stamped on the left stock side. All parts appear, in my unprofessional view, to be original. The ram rod measures short about 1 inch in the bore, indicating something is in there. I viewed the barrel with light and can see what looks like a white paper or cloth wad at the bottom of the bore. I think they're both loaded. The bores are rusty a bit and appear to have been forgotten which leads me to believe the wad is a charge in both from the original battlefield. Dunno about this for sure. Checked the nipples and they seem fairly clear. Should I engage with a professional to clear the rifles? Or will they hold more value remaining in the condition that they are? I have not disturbed patina or cleaned the guns, however, I did slightly lube the trigger mechanism as I have cocked them and the lube has smoothed the process. Overall, they look in great shape and the final point is that the 1857 is quite popular as the Sepoy's in India - well, you can research somewhat the first Indian Revolution from the British and the East India Company. Fascinating!! Along with the purchase of the Enfields's I picked up an Ames 1862 Musician's Sword in untouched/undamaged condition, good patina on that too (there appears 3 battle anomalies on the scabbard). I'm building a small collection of Civil War artifacts to go with the fact that I am on a team of three who have discovered the whereabouts of the Confederate Treasury gold (April 1865) that Capt. James A. Semple was to get to the British by way of the sea, but he did not make it to England; but, rather, he made it to the Bay of Fundy which was, in that day, controlled by the British. We're currently arranging for a major magazine to publish the story. Thanks anyone, and everyone, for your words of assistance and interest. I'm interested to know just how valuable the set of artifacts is. If there's interest, I'll arrange some photos. kabauman86(at)hotmail(dot)com . Thank you. LuckyDucky.
If you get someone to unload the guns, I would stress to them to try to keep the contents of the load intact. I mean, "catch" the powder, wad etc as well as the shot. THAT would be a cool display!If I may jump into this thread. Hello, yesterday I purchased two (almost identical) Enfield's from an unusually attractive antique store in northwestern Indiana. I've done the research and they are dated 1861 Enfield and 1857 Tower (both have crown/VR behind the hammer). Both have a faint stamp of "London" on the right side of the stock. '57 has a unique symbol on the left stock (inscribed lines like arrows with dots on top of a dent with dots around it). '61 has the date 1861 stamped on the left stock side. All parts appear, in my unprofessional view, to be original. The ram rod measures short about 1 inch in the bore, indicating something is in there. I viewed the barrel with light and can see what looks like a white paper or cloth wad at the bottom of the bore. I think they're both loaded. The bores are rusty a bit and appear to have been forgotten which leads me to believe the wad is a charge in both from the original battlefield. Dunno about this for sure. Checked the nipples and they seem fairly clear. Should I engage with a professional to clear the rifles? Or will they hold more value remaining in the condition that they are? I have not disturbed patina or cleaned the guns, however, I did slightly lube the trigger mechanism as I have cocked them and the lube has smoothed the process. Overall, they look in great shape and the final point is that the 1857 is quite popular as the Sepoy's in India - well, you can research somewhat the first Indian Revolution from the British and the East India Company. Fascinating!! Along with the purchase of the Enfields's I picked up an Ames 1862 Musician's Sword in untouched/undamaged condition, good patina on that too (there appears 3 battle anomalies on the scabbard). I'm building a small collection of Civil War artifacts to go with the fact that I am on a team of three who have discovered the whereabouts of the Confederate Treasury gold (April 1865) that Capt. James A. Semple was to get to the British by way of the sea, but he did not make it to England; but, rather, he made it to the Bay of Fundy which was, in that day, controlled by the British. We're currently arranging for a major magazine to publish the story. Thanks anyone, and everyone, for your words of assistance and interest. I'm interested to know just how valuable the set of artifacts is. If there's interest, I'll arrange some photos. kabauman86(at)hotmail(dot)com . Thank you. LuckyDucky.
nice find in the rifles and the goldIf I may jump into this thread. Hello, yesterday I purchased two (almost identical) Enfield's from an unusually attractive antique store in northwestern Indiana. I've done the research and they are dated 1861 Enfield and 1857 Tower (both have crown/VR behind the hammer). Both have a faint stamp of "London" on the right side of the stock. '57 has a unique symbol on the left stock (inscribed lines like arrows with dots on top of a dent with dots around it). '61 has the date 1861 stamped on the left stock side. All parts appear, in my unprofessional view, to be original. The ram rod measures short about 1 inch in the bore, indicating something is in there. I viewed the barrel with light and can see what looks like a white paper or cloth wad at the bottom of the bore. I think they're both loaded. The bores are rusty a bit and appear to have been forgotten which leads me to believe the wad is a charge in both from the original battlefield. Dunno about this for sure. Checked the nipples and they seem fairly clear. Should I engage with a professional to clear the rifles? Or will they hold more value remaining in the condition that they are? I have not disturbed patina or cleaned the guns, however, I did slightly lube the trigger mechanism as I have cocked them and the lube has smoothed the process. Overall, they look in great shape and the final point is that the 1857 is quite popular as the Sepoy's in India - well, you can research somewhat the first Indian Revolution from the British and the East India Company. Fascinating!! Along with the purchase of the Enfields's I picked up an Ames 1862 Musician's Sword in untouched/undamaged condition, good patina on that too (there appears 3 battle anomalies on the scabbard). I'm building a small collection of Civil War artifacts to go with the fact that I am on a team of three who have discovered the whereabouts of the Confederate Treasury gold (April 1865) that Capt. James A. Semple was to get to the British by way of the sea, but he did not make it to England; but, rather, he made it to the Bay of Fundy which was, in that day, controlled by the British. We're currently arranging for a major magazine to publish the story. Thanks anyone, and everyone, for your words of assistance and interest. I'm interested to know just how valuable the set of artifacts is. If there's interest, I'll arrange some photos. kabauman86(at)hotmail(dot)com . Thank you. LuckyDucky.
Both of your rifle muskets were accepted into Her Majesty’s service. The chances they came over for service in our Civil War are very minute, but that shouldn’t matter. You have 1 Birmingham (Tower) and 1 London (Enfield) gun. Now don’t forget to photograph the proofs.Have a professional gunsmith to draw the loads and will video the action. Looking to get a professional dossier on the restoration efforts on the rifles as they may become able to fire again. Really, they are in good shape. So "Lucky Ducky" to have found them. I'm attaching some photos of the Enfield's and their sister Sword, the 1862 Musician's Sword made by Ames Mfg. Co., Chicopee, Mass. Enjoy!
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