Dryfiring percussion revolvers

[TNGhost]

I only care and am interested in mechanical end. Everyone else is free to have their view on the rest

I quit

I guess the point here is, that if so many shooters and top flight ones at that, do it regularly to the tune of thousands of rounds across all types of firearms, with proper precautions (aforementioned hearing plugs, plastic tubing or practice cylinder w/ snap caps) there is no dry fire risk of damage to the gun other than normal wear you would have through regular shooting, in fact less because you remove the explosive pressure aspect.

Good, informative conversation though.

 

[GYJ]

Look guys, I never said that dry firing is pointless. I said it was overrated, rather off the cuff. Yes, I would say it's better than not shooting at all but as I already said, it is a poor substitute for actual shooting. If you're only managing to get to the range once a month, then I'd say some dry firing in between is a good idea. However, more trips to the range is better. Weekly shooting without dry firing is better than monthly shooting and however much dry firing you do in between.

Dry firing is not about flinching.....

Yeah, I said that. In response to:

Yes it will. Repeat the motion enough times and it becomes automatic that you follow through and don't anticipate the recoil, loaded or not.

Well said and echoes what my response was going to be.

So which is it? That would seem to be in conflict with the above quoted posts.

Well said and echoes what my response was going to be. There is a reason that top shooters and athletes in general go through the routine of visualizing their upcoming performances.

Going through the routine of your course of fire and sitting in front of the TV incessantly dry firing your peashooter are two different things. Are we talking about top athletes and shooters? No. There's a lot that goes on in the top levels of competition that does not apply to your average shooter. Just like practices benchrest have little bearing on squirrel hunting.

So you are saying your mind is untrainable without live firing?

I'm saying you can't work out a flinch without shooting. The flinch is 100% mental, you're anticipating recoil. You can't work it out if you know before you press the trigger that there won't be any recoil.

You should get the book, With Winning In Mind", you could learn a lot about shooting. Another good book is "The Pistol Shooter's Treasury.

Thanks but I didn't ask for shooting lessons. I shoot every day, tens of thousands of rounds per year. I don't come by my opinion from asking people, reading books or mimicking experts. I come by it through shooting. A lot.

I guess the point here is, that if so many shooters and top flight ones at that.....

As I said, they're also doing a ton of shooting.

 

[Ed C.]

As I said, dry firing is a poor substitute for shooting. All you're learning is trigger management, with no recoil, no anticipation of recoil and no clue where the shot would have gone. That is all.

Practicing other movements is mutually exclusive. Never said you shouldn't practice reloads "dry".

If you're dry firing because you can't go shooting, then say that.

Again, are people here training for matches with their percussion guns?

I do compete with a cap and ball '58 Remington. I keep an old replica on the table next to me while watching TV with the nipples removed. I have no problem with flinching or recoil and as I'm not doing timed shooting, recovering from recoil is not relevant. Proper trigger pull, follow through, not pulling or jerking the trigger when I'm on target is what I need to work on. When I dry fire I can see if I'm still on target after the trigger breaks. I also have a wooden training gun I made with adjustable trigger tension and no break so I can practice a long hard trigger pull while staying on target. You can have your own opinion, but this works for me. I'll do the same with my Hawken, just aiming it and pulling a dead trigger. I'll also shoot a CO2 pellet .45 replica at home. It all helps if you are not in a position to shoot tens of thousands of rounds.

 

[TNGhost]

Look guys, I never said that dry firing is pointless. I said it was overrated, rather off the cuff. Yes, I would say it's better than not shooting at all but as I already said, it is a poor substitute for actual shooting. If you're only managing to get to the range once a month, then I'd say some dry firing in between is a good idea. However, more trips to the range is better. Weekly shooting without dry firing is better than monthly shooting and however much dry firing you do in between.




Yeah, I said that. In response to:





So which is it? That would seem to be in conflict with the above quoted posts.



Going through the routine of your course of fire and sitting in front of the TV incessantly dry firing your peashooter are two different things. Are we talking about top athletes and shooters? No. There's a lot that goes on in the top levels of competition that does not apply to your average shooter. Just like practices benchrest have little bearing on squirrel hunting.



I'm saying you can't work out a flinch without shooting. The flinch is 100% mental, you're anticipating recoil. You can't work it out if you know before you press the trigger that there won't be any recoil.



Thanks but I didn't ask for shooting lessons. I shoot every day, tens of thousands of rounds per year. I don't come by my opinion from asking people, reading books or mimicking experts. I come by it through shooting. A lot.



As I said, they're also doing a ton of shooting.

You're not a very good shot are you, despite all those thousands of rounds?

Also, a question: Why belittle people who don't have the resources to live fire as often as they would like to and have the initiative to improve their shooting skills in other ways?

 

[GYJ]

You're not a very good shot are you, despite all those thousands of rounds?

Also, a question: Why belittle people who don't have the resources to live fire as often as they would like to and have the initiative to improve their shooting skills in other ways?

I'm not a very good shot? We getting all personal now?

I didn't belittle anyone. Or insult anyone like you just did. I just said that dry firing is overrated. A disagreement is not a personal attack. We're not democrats.

 

[extreme_fudd]

Thanks but I didn't ask for shooting lessons. I shoot every day, tens of thousands of rounds per year. I don't come by my opinion from asking people, reading books or mimicking experts. I come by it through shooting. A lot.



As I said, they're also doing a ton of shooting.

I see lots of people at the range who aren't interested in learning from experts. They shoot thousands of rounds per year. What do they achieve... They make lots of noise.

 

[GYJ]

I see lots of people at the range who aren't interested in learning from experts. They shoot thousands of rounds per year. What do they achieve... They make lots of noise.

Ah, so dry firing makes better shooters than shooting. Got it.

 

[FishDFly]

Think it' a good day for some fishing.

 

[Ed C.]

I see lots of people at the range who aren't interested in learning from experts. They shoot thousands of rounds per year. What do they achieve... They make lots of noise.

Lol! Yep. They set the target at 10 feet and shoot as fast as they can pull the trigger!

 

[Ed C.]

Ah, so dry firing makes better shooters than shooting. Got it.

Kinda going to extremes. Very simple.....dry firing can be a valuable training aid and the amount of value will vary from one individual to another. We are allowed to be different.

 

[AlexB]

I recently had to adjust my finger position and hand grip while firing due to some age related hand issues.
Dry firing has really helped with that as I am relearning a lifetime of muscle memory.

 

[TNGhost]

Ah, so dry firing makes better shooters than just shooting. Got it.

FIFY

 

[GYJ]

We are allowed to be different.

Yes we are. We're also allowed to disagree without condescending, arrogant posts, like the one I was responding to.

 

[Terrier]

I'm not a very good shot? We getting all personal now?

I didn't belittle anyone. Or insult anyone like you just did. I just said that dry firing is overrated. A disagreement is not a personal attack. We're not democrats.

Here…. Try this. It oughta keep you busy for a while:

 

[GYJ]

Here…. Try this. It oughta keep you busy for a while:

Don't want to read it, don't click on it.

 

[Hatman/2nd line]

A friend of mine told me about a sergeant he knew who would practice dry fire with his .45 auto using a pencil with a rubber eraser, at maybe 10" on to paper. He said this guy was a great shot from doing it too!

 

[nick_1]

When I competed IPSC, steel speed matches and bowling pin matches seriously I shot about 1k rnds per week and dry fired several hours per week. I don't dry fire enough these days. maybe 10 min a week. I never use dry firing as a substitute for live fire but as a tool to keep good habits. Its easy to start bad habits live firing and not notice them. Dry firing is where you correct them. Yes it is hard to take a shooter seriously that openly scoffs at dry firing.

 

[Secesh]

Whether it’s a good practice or bad practice, I’ll let the experts hash that out and I’ll say, okay. As for me, I’ve just never liked hearing the sound effects of dry firing anything but like I said, that’s just me.

 

[bpd303]

Here…. Try this. It oughta keep you busy for a while:

View attachment 390660

 

[FishDFly]

I believe that bpd303 has created the post where the "FAT" lady has finally sung.

Thank you sir.