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Punky Hollow

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My latest 50 cal muzzleloader has a 1:48 twist barrel which seems to be a compromise between fast to slow twist rates. I'm looking for experience based recommendations on bullets to use for hunting deer that offer reasonable accuracy and expansion. These would need to have good results in a 1:48 twist.There are so many bullets on the market now it's hard to wade though all the options.
Thanks for the input.
 
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I am in the round ball camp also. Not knowing what rifle you have makes some difference though. My Traditions Hawken Woodsman has a 1:48 twist and pretty deep rifling. Seems much better suited for round ball and patch versus conicals. The saboted projectiles were really developed for the modern style muzzleloaders. They may work ok in the traditional style rifles but there is no need when the round ball is a proven killer.
 
You will get the best response if you tell us a bit more about the barrel. Primarily, what is the depth of the rifling? Shallow rifling works better with conicals. Actual bore measurement is needed along with depth of rifling in order to suggest a patched round ball pairing. Who made the barrel? There's not enough information provided to give a helpful response and even then you will have to test the load out to verify if it will work.
 
The T/C Maxi-Ball has worked well for me in the past. It has large lube grooves that help keep fouling soft and loading easy.

A person should be very careful what type of bullet they use in a traditional side lock, it should be designed for them. Should you have a misfire and need to pull the bullet, Some more modern designs cannot be pulled. They have to be pushed out which means removing the breech plug and some breech plugs are not removable, none are easily removable. A poor choice of bullet can snowball into a world of headaches.
Bore diameter to bullet diameter is also critically important as I have seen some guns that a conical would slide straight down the barrel.
 
Very good point CARBON 6. For the record, I have a Traditions Deerhunter FLINTLOCK.
I used to shoot patch and ball in my TC Renegade when I first started out almost 40 years ago and somehow got away from it. I've shot the Great Plains and a number of others but my favorite was the Buffalo Ball-ettes which are no longer available. Now that I have this Deerhunter, I'm just trying to come up with the best bullet. Up till about 10 years ago, you could go anywhere and get Flintlock muzzleloader supplies, now it's pretty much a mail order deal.
I believe Traditions recommends Powerbelt bullets but I have never tried them. I have friends who use solid copper bullets in their flintlocks that are matched to the barrel diameter. There are so (to) many options that there is something to be said for just shooting patch and ball.
 
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I've owned, hunted with and fired thousands of rounds from several 1-48" twist rifles. In every instance I fired patched round ball. Accuracy was always great and they took game exceedingly well. I can't comment on any conical bullet because I've never used one in my nearly 55 years of shooting muzzleloaders.
 
I too shoot patched round balls in several of my 1 in 48 twist rifles. That includes a TC Hawken. I bought a TC Maxiball mold for the Hawken 40 years ago and never fired more than a few bullets from the rifle. I've never molded any since then, but have shot hundreds of round balls.
 
I've fired round balls, and T/C maxi balls from my .50 cal TC renegade 1/48 twist barrel. I make my own ammo, and I can make two round balls for every maxi I make, so although maxi's are very good projectiles, they do eat up lead.
 
A while back, I did a considerable amount of side-by-side testing of some 50 caliber conicals using several different powder charges in my T/C Hawken style rifle. I tested Thompson 370 gn "Maxi-Ball", Buffalo Bullet Co 385 gn, Thompson "Maxi-Hunter" 275 gn, Thompson "Maxi-Hunter" 350 gn, Hornady "PA conical" and Hornady 385 gn "Great Plains". The clear winner in my 50 cal. 1:48 T/C factory barrel is the Hornady "Great Plains" 385 gn conical with 80-90 gns of Goex behind it.
Once I had that combination worked out and the sights on my hunting rifle regulated for it I proceeded to identify a mild roundball load for offhand practice that shoots to the same p.o.i. at 25 yds for extended offhand practice. That one is 55-60 gns Goex if I remember correctly. Your experience may vary...that has been mine.
 
My latest 50 cal muzzleloader has a 1:48 twist barrel …, use for hunting deer that offer reasonable accuracy and expansion...,There are so many bullets on the market now it's hard to wade though all the options.

OK well first...if it's a modern, conical bullet (or also all lead) with plastic engaging the rifling, I seriously doubt you will find one that's "reasonable" when it comes to accuracy with our old style rifling depth (regardless of the twist rate). That eliminates more than ½ of what's out there on the market. :thumb:

So you are left with:
Patched Round Ball
PA Conical
Flat Base Conicals
Minnie Balls

Patched round ball as suggested above by many many experienced shooters of both targets and deer (and even larger critters) works great, they have much more experience with these than I, AND I concur with them based on my experience too. :D Interestingly, the PRB is not simply just that. There is all lead, giving you the most mass of the round ball variations, and deforming quite well upon impact in most circumstances. Then there are harder alloys, which although they don't deform as easily, they can in some cases give you better penetration. And let's face it a .490 hole, especially when the wound goes through the animal, is pretty darn devastating. Part of the equation that we can't answer is...what powder level you are using and how accurate is that from your rifle, and..., how well you place your shot. (which pertains to all the bullets, btw)

PA Conical is a hybrid. It's a round ball with a skirt, and you may be in luck as it's available in .50 caliber. https://www.hornady.com/muzzleloading/browse/50-cal-240-gr-pa-conical#!/
So you get a bit more mass as they are about 70 grains heavier than the .490 round ball, and the idea is that with a 1:66 twist barrel you get simplicity of loading as there is no patch. So they should work in a 1:48 barrel too. (The Minnie ball, a skirted bullet, was invented to speed up combat loading of rifles to thus allow all the infantry privates to be riflemen..., not as a hunting bullet. ;))

Flat based conicals are just that, conical bullets without a skirt. The Thompson Center versions come in two types, the Maxi-Ball and the Maxi-Hunter. Either one may work well enough for you as TC rifles are often found as 1:48. Hornady makes a conical bullet too. LEE makes the R.E.A.L. conical bullet which you have to slightly force onto the rifling as you load, because the last band on the bullet, the nearest to the tip, is intentionally oversize, so when you force it into the barrel it already engages the rifling. Flat based conicals have more mass, so will probably kick you more during recoil. They may, especially if you increase the powder load a bit, give you better penetration on really large game. But if you're already sending the round ball through the animal, that same animal isn't going to notice a difference when you use a conical (imho). They don't "bust brush" as some people think, and even when not using a patch the reloading isn't fast enough to give you a quick, second shot. For deer and smaller, I'm not sure they are ever an advantage.

Minnie Balls are the first well known conicals. They have a "skirt" on the base, which is intended to flex outward when fired due to the expanding gas, the skirt going into the rifling, to cause the bullet to spin. There are a couple different bullet shape variations, and these tend to be the heaviest projectiles that you will find. As mentioned they are meant to give a combat infantryman a quick reload, but they do hit very hard...IF you need that. I would prefer these if I was going to defend myself vs. a grizzly...actually I'd prefer a modern cartridge in .500 for that, but that's for a different website altogether.

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Im gonna try the Hornady GP Bullets. The Buffalo Ball-ets shot really good out if my 48 twist but I quit using them because they were no longer made and I wanted to save the ones I had. Now that they are coming back I will be buying a manure load. I have the TC PA Conicals to try but they are flat based and the use of a wad is needed.
 
Not sure why you feel you need something "better" than a roundball.

Over 35 years ago I cast some .54 cal Lee improved minies for a Gallagher rifle. They were OK, but never gave me the punch I wanted - not enough capacity in the brass to use enough powder to get what I thought would be higher velocities.

Fast forward a few decades and I rediscovered some already cast minies. Decided to try them in an old / new-to-me Investarms .54 cal caplock. I already dialed in the PRB and was happily plinking grapefruit out at the 100 yard berm. The minies had nearly the same POI at 75 yards, but dropped significantly at 100 yards. They were heavier & lost energy faster.
Of the deer taken with either .50 or the "newer" .54, I've never been wanting for sufficient knockdown power using a PRB. In fact, 3 were thru & thru, and only 1 had a recoverable ball under the far side hide - it had flattened out to almost the size of a quarter. The only chase & track I ever had to do was with the minie.

So, don't overthink it - a PRB served our ancestors well and they were able to adequately feed succeeding generations.

While the minie was easier to load, more powder for higher velocities appeared to have just blown out the skirt edge of the minie, causing keyholing and a 12" drift across target.

The only thing limiting the efficacy of a PRB is the ability of the shooter.
 
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