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Hello folks,

In need of help identifying this beauty. 26" barrel 41" overall obscured signature as seen, just can't get a lead.
 

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I just noticed it has a 3 stage barrel. Jim Kibler explained these were often found on mid- grade export Fowing pieces from England. The engraving isn’t very fine and the thumb piece is off- center. Lack of proof marks might support its being made for export.
Proportionally it looks like a cut down Fowler to me. But having an iron ramrod that seems to fit the pipes (wooden ramrods were thicker) is another curiosity. I don’t know if Fowlers ever were equipped with iron or steel rammers?
It has no front sight. Also, a curiosity is the long exposed barrel with a brass nose cap, which makes me thing a for- military conversion?
Finally the lock is unbridled which could mean an early piece.
One other possibility might be a lower grade private purchase military carbine.
It looks like it’s in wonderful condition and hope your search for info on it is fruitful.
 
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My first question is has it been shortened? My instinctive guess is that it is a trade musket, maybe early to middle 1800s for export sale, made in France or Belgium. The steel rammer is a musket thing. The stamped lettering signifies later industrial technology, but the styling of the details feels late 1700s, and trade items generally were not about the latest style.
 
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