Has anyone experimented with a minie ball in a smoothbore? Is it accurate? Or do they tumble or keyhole?
Minie ball in a Smoothbore
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Like a football kicked for a field goal.
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There's nothing to get it spinning along its axis to give it longitudinal stability, so with drag from the air in front and with thrust from the charge at its base, without that stability, once it exits the muzzle it's going to begin flipping end for end pretty much right away.
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I tried it- don’t bother.
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I tried them years ago. Accuracy was mediocre at best, worse than round ball. Nothing--playing with diameter (matching it to bore diameter), etc--did nothing to improve accuracy. Since I was winning matches with round ball, I gave up on minies in the 24 gauge.
Then I got a wild hair and thought maybe accuracy would be better in a larger bore. It was, but not by much. In the .69 caliber musket I tried I used an original mould that had more of the weight concentrated in the nose. Shifting the center of gravity forward appeared to make it perform like a shuttlecock rather than a book thrown across the room. . . but accuracy from a patched round ball was much better.
Then I got a wild hair and thought maybe accuracy would be better in a larger bore. It was, but not by much. In the .69 caliber musket I tried I used an original mould that had more of the weight concentrated in the nose. Shifting the center of gravity forward appeared to make it perform like a shuttlecock rather than a book thrown across the room. . . but accuracy from a patched round ball was much better.
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Two years ago I picked up a LEE .50 caliber improved Minnie mold.
For accuracy I found it to be equal to RB and tow from a smoothbore TC Hawken flintlock to 50 yards.
For accuracy I found it to be equal to RB and tow from a smoothbore TC Hawken flintlock to 50 yards.
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I tried a .58 Minie solid base in a rifled musket some years ago. The Ball was undersized and didn't fill out into the rifling. Couldn't hit for beans BUT at my 150 yard range, you could hear what sounded like a huge zipper buzzing through the air at each shot. Don't waste your time!
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Has there ever been a long bullet designed for a smoothbore muzzleloader?
Obviously it could be made to work but there has to be a purpose, a desired end result for the engineering to reach towards, to be fulfilled.
Obviously it could be made to work but there has to be a purpose, a desired end result for the engineering to reach towards, to be fulfilled.
Minies aren’t solid base. Minies have to be hollow base just as Col. Minie designed them or they are just regular solid RN bullets.
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And then there's minie molds with plugs modified to provide solid bases but they too require one have some rifling of suitable type.
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I tried 20 gauge shotgun slugs in my flint trade gun and they performed OK but not as well as round ball, of course they are not a minie, being mostly hollow which means they are front heavy and so stabilise better.
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That's what the Nessler Ball is, from the 1850s. It's kind of like a short minie for smoothbores.
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Conrad, got a picture of one? I'll go duckduck it.
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And this came up. Not really a genuine Nessler.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...9-smoothbore-almost-there-need-advice.117400/
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...9-smoothbore-almost-there-need-advice.117400/
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I found the first pic here:
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/crimean-war-small-arms-ammunition/11334
The cross section diagram is from this book from 1860:
https://www.google.com/books/editio...o_Europe_in_1855_an/njNsVg-HVpYC?hl=en&gbpv=1
This book is a report by US army major Alfred Mordecai, and it's a report about his observations of European military technology. I found the diagram on page 176. He also talks about its design starting on page 157.
They were used in a paper cartridge similar to Enfield rifle ones, where the front of the bullet faces the powder, and you have to tear the paper off the bullet while it's in the muzzle
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What Sam and Dave said, unless the Griz was at hand shaking distance you'd miss him.
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Fwiw, I saw super slow speed film that proved the "rifled" foster slugs Do rotate in flight. Many argue a mini ball should be accurate in Smooth bore just as a shotgun slug is. But it's not.
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As close as I've come to shooting a Nessler. For use in the Fremont, sharp shoulder to cut clean holes in the target, adjustable length to fine tune my loads and with two base plugs (different skirt thicknesses for varying powder charges). In the 1816 it would probably just make really cool noises sailing down range but I never tried it in the flintlock.
Seems like I tried some in my 20ga flintlock trade gun, they keyholed and shot about an 18" group at 25 yards. I had some modern 20ga slug rounds and cut the slugs out to try them in my gun.
