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Hi,
I get so focused on building guns that I forget how much I love to shoot them. Today I got 2 of my favorite rifles out to shoot at longer ranges than my usual 50 yards. The guns are my Star of Bethlehem


















and my rifled British officer's fusil.

















Both rifles are 62 caliber. The Star has a D weight 41" Getz swamped barrel from the 1980s. It was a terrible barrel. The Getz's could make good barrels but this was not one of them. It had chatter and machine marks left in the bore and shredded patches no matter how thin or thick. At first, I could not shoot smaller than a 10" group at 50 yards with it. So I lapped it with steel wool and valve grinding compound, then the same with aluminum oxide powder and oil and then just steel wool and oil. It took more than 1000 strokes to salvage it. But I did. However, it is still very finicky with respect to patches. The barrel on the officer's fusil is a Colerain D weight Griffin profile octagon to round barrel cut down to 39". It has deep round bottomed rifling and has been a fine barrel from the start. I started off shooting from a bench at 75 yards, then moved the bench back to 100 yards, and finally shot both distances offhand. Unfortunately, it was very windy, blowing gusts from left to right, which affected all the shooting to some degree. I loaded both rifles with 85 grains of 2F Swiss powder, thick (0.030")patching lubed with ballistol and water, and 0.595" balls. Here is my target from the bench at 75 yards shooting the Star. Note the widely scattered shots way high. Those were the first and I used denim patches but I made the mistake of cutting them from old pants. The result is they varied greatly in thickness and the batch I used were too thin. The Getz barrel shreds and burns up patches that are too thin. I quickly changed to double patching with two 0.015" thick pillow ticking patches. That solved the problem and I started to group nicely. On the target, shot from a bench, you can see how I walked the shots into the black. I think the wind caused the right bias in hits so I did not tinker with the sights. I just adjusted my aim.



I shot two rounds at 2 o'clock in the 6 and 7 rings. I adjusted my aim and shot 3 rounds 12 o'clock in the 7 and 8 rings. I adjusted my aim and shot 5 rounds into the 9 and 10 rings with all shots touching. That was my best target for the morning although my 100 yard benched target with the Star was pretty good. Shooting offhand was a challenge due to the wind. Here is my best target offhand with the rifled officer's fusil at 100 yards. It is not great but



you can see how I was trying to walk my shots into the black. I first shot high and mostly to the right. Then lower to the right but gradually started walking the shots lower and to the left. The wind was a major player shooting off hand. Finally, I shot offhand at my 100 yard 9" gong and hit it every time with both rifles. It was a very fun morning.

dave
 
They are very beautiful guns. It’s good having a couple the same caliber and just needing to adjust patch thicknesses for each. My problem would be remembering what thicknesses for what rifle!
(Notes in patch boxes perhaps 🤔)?
About the Getz barrels- I recall listening to a conversation back in the early 90’s between a couple of fellows about Getz and how some of the barrels would have run- out and other issues. A good one couldn’t be beat. but there were evidently a bunch less good ones.
Glad you had a great time shooting today in such a gorgeous time of the year!
 
beautiful guns Dave, and i thank you for helping me with the finish on a Kibler i just finished, it came out beautiful! you are a kind man and a great builder,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
Guns that pretty don't have to shoot, other guns are standing in line vying to shoot for them.
 
Hi,
I get so focused on building guns that I forget how much I love to shoot them. Today I got 2 of my favorite rifles out to shoot at longer ranges than my usual 50 yards. The guns are my Star of Bethlehem


















and my rifled British officer's fusil.

















Both rifles are 62 caliber. The Star has a D weight 41" Getz swamped barrel from the 1980s. It was a terrible barrel. The Getz's could make good barrels but this was not one of them. It had chatter and machine marks left in the bore and shredded patches no matter how thin or thick. At first, I could not shoot smaller than a 10" group at 50 yards with it. So I lapped it with steel wool and valve grinding compound, then the same with aluminum oxide powder and oil and then just steel wool and oil. It took more than 1000 strokes to salvage it. But I did. However, it is still very finicky with respect to patches. The barrel on the officer's fusil is a Colerain D weight Griffin profile octagon to round barrel cut down to 39". It has deep round bottomed rifling and has been a fine barrel from the start. I started off shooting from a bench at 75 yards, then moved the bench back to 100 yards, and finally shot both distances offhand. Unfortunately, it was very windy, blowing gusts from left to right, which affected all the shooting to some degree. I loaded both rifles with 85 grains of 2F Swiss powder, thick (0.030")patching lubed with ballistol and water, and 0.595" balls. Here is my target from the bench at 75 yards shooting the Star. Note the widely scattered shots way high. Those were the first and I used denim patches but I made the mistake of cutting them from old pants. The result is they varied greatly in thickness and the batch I used were too thin. The Getz barrel shreds and burns up patches that are too thin. I quickly changed to double patching with two 0.015" thick pillow ticking patches. That solved the problem and I started to group nicely. On the target, shot from a bench, you can see how I walked the shots into the black. I think the wind caused the right bias in hits so I did not tinker with the sights. I just adjusted my aim.



I shot two rounds at 2 o'clock in the 6 and 7 rings. I adjusted my aim and shot 3 rounds 12 o'clock in the 7 and 8 rings. I adjusted my aim and shot 5 rounds into the 9 and 10 rings with all shots touching. That was my best target for the morning although my 100 yard benched target with the Star was pretty good. Shooting offhand was a challenge due to the wind. Here is my best target offhand with the rifled officer's fusil at 100 yards. It is not great but



you can see how I was trying to walk my shots into the black. I first shot high and mostly to the right. Then lower to the right but gradually started walking the shots lower and to the left. The wind was a major player shooting off hand. Finally, I shot offhand at my 100 yard 9" gong and hit it every time with both rifles. It was a very fun morning.

dave
very nice guns
 
Hi,
Well somebody resurrected this old thread. Thanks for you comments folks. I had another nice morning of shooting. A week ago I hosted Warner's regiment (the Green Mountain Boys) for a weekend of live firing their firelocks. It is a fun event that includes firearms training, target shooting with their muskets and volley firing using historical loads. A historical load used 165 grains of 2F powder, of which about 10-15 grains is used for priming. Therefore, 150-155 grains of powder go in the barrel. The Besses shoot 0.69 caliber ball and the French muskets use 0.648 caliber ball. The universal comment after volley fire is they can feel it in their feet. That is with 15-20 shooters, imagine a couple of hundred.
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Anyway, I set up a bench to instruct new or inexperienced members in proper loading and firing their muskets and teaching them how to shoot. After, checking them and their muskets out, I send them to be included in the line. Then I am free for a while to shoot. This time I brought out the Ferguson breech loading rifle.
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I love shooting the rifle but I've never been satisfied by my load. The original rifles were designed to shoot British carbine ball (0.615"), which makes a great deal of sense because why design the rifle to shoot odd ammunition particularly when you are also making a muzzleloading rifle (pattern 1776) shooting the carbine ball. Several modern writers describe shooting modern Ferguson reproductions using carbine ball with great success. My experience with that ball is dismal. I can barely keep groups under 10" at 50 yards and the spread is always horizontal. I shoot the gun very accurately with 0.648 ball but that leaves very limited space in the powder chamber for powder. So I decided to try 0.626" ball, which I can pack 55 grains of Swiss 3F powder behind. You do not want to over fill the powder chamber because the excess powder will be pushed into the upper threads of the screw breech when you close the breech. That excess powder will eventually foul and bind the breech regardless if it was lubed with "Fergie lube" (50% bees wax melted into 50% crisco or tallow) .

I moved the bench back to 80 yards. I had already zeroed the rifle with 0.648 ball. This time I used 0.626" ball and the results were fantastic. All of the outside shots were by folks testing their muskets. The shots from the Ferguson at 80 yards are all in the center hole.
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That center hole includes 10 shots from the bench and another 10 shots offhand at 80 yards. The 0.626 ball was perfect. I could get a little bit more powder behind it. The result was I hit 8" gongs from 80 to 100 yards consistently offhand.

dave
 
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