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Fascinating history.

How precious and cherished those revolvers must have been to those Rangers an other folks who carried them on the frontier dealing with various criminals during those days.

Durable reliable repeating firearms, when they were not allowed to obtain or purchase other firearms.
 
Fascinating history.

How precious and cherished those revolvers must have been to those Rangers an other folks who carried them on the frontier dealing with various criminals during those days.

Durable reliable repeating firearms, when they were not allowed to obtain or purchase other firearms.
Yes, dealing with criminal Yankees was a problem back then.

Durable and reliable? Some were some weren't, notably the fluted cylinder 1860s and the early Walkers.
 
There's a thread about Colt sending a large shipment of revolvers to Virginia on or right after Fort Sumpter fight started the Civil War.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/rare-colt-1860.143300

Samuel Colt also shipped the famous McCullough colts (Cimmaron makes 2 copies of the type) to Texas. Only one of these Cimarrons is called McCullough but the much cheaper one differs only in the finish. It's in blue like the originals were leaving the factory, instead of antiqued like the Mccoulloughs appear today.

Colt only sold 3000 guns made in his large new factory powered by a giant water wheel in Patterson between 1837 and 1842. This included two shipments of 500 to the Republic of Texas (for their navy). This was the only decent size purchase order for Pattersons. The navy disbanded after the war (Texas v Mexico / the Alamo et.al). Texas ranger captains like McCullough, Hayes, Walker took the Pattersons stored in a warehouse that nobody else in the Texas military wanted. But the rangers loved them. And used them.

A few years later in 1847 Walker sent a letter to Colt, an unexpected letter which raised the Colt firearms business from the dead. Colt's factory and all company assets had been seized away from him (bankruptcy) in 1842. Now thanks to Ranger Walker, Colt got an order from the U.S. government for 1000 improved revolvers. This order allowed Colt to borrow money from banks to build a new company, and in a year or so later, another even more outrageously large factory. Before the 'Walker' govt. contract, Colt was not welcome at any bank and few persons would reply nicely to his letters. He was sort of persona non grata.

The rangers (Hays, McCullough) also helped Colt designed the 1851 Navy soon after, and Colt named it the "Ranger" revolver in gratitude.

Colt was a Democrat, not a Republican, and these Northern Democrats opposed going to war. McCullough's rangers were going to leave Texas for the war. This would leave all the isolated settlers in Texas at risk to deadly violent Comanche raids. Colt rushed two shipments of 1860 (early models with long flutes) to McCullough on the very day or some say a couple days after Sumpter fell. It was done for humane reasons, the many debts Colt owed to Texas and it's rangers, and Colt was not all that big a supporter of the coming war, to say the least.

2 of the 3 types of engravings on percussion Colts (naval battle, Indian fight) had to do with the Texas rangers. Had there been no Texas and no rangers Colt might have ended up on skid row so to speak, instead of one of the richest men in America. He owed Texas and the rangers everything.

Back in that day, Northern newspapers attacked Colt for these types of shipments. Some of them called for his arrest. But Colt was quick to announce he never shipped any guns after the word got to him that war had been declared, and that no more shipments South would be forthcoming. (He did ship to border States like Kentucky. And two men who planned to become Southern officers after they enlisted, bought hundreds for their troops). One was Nathan Bedford Forrest who I think bought 500, I forget who the other officer was).

Colt did not remain controversial in the North for long. Colt built god knows how many thousands of muskets for the Union. And about 125,000 1860 revolvers, and tens of thousands of other revolver types for the Union during the war. None for the Confederate States. Colt died in the middle of the war 1862. and his factory burnt down for unknown reasons in 1864. The war ended in 1865.

All the above came from my reading the latest and probably best biography of Colt: "Revolver"
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Good! As far as I've heard, the only muskets Colt made were the "Colt Special Model Muskets" around 1864? I know my cousin has one, and it was replicated in a couple versions back when the Colt Black Powder Series was in operation. Some were put together using parts, that lacked the Colt Signature that was on the trigger guard of the replicas. Thanks!
 
When Colt rushed this shipment of 1860 long flute revolvers to Texas, right around the time when Sumpter fell, does anyone know if he was ever paid for those?
 
Hughes Aircraft supplied much of the prewar research that turned out the zero.

That is a new one on me. Hughes was no more nor any less versed in modern aircraft design than was Lockheed, Boeing, Republic, North American and so many more. Japan was license building DC-3s and had bought aircraft from other sources.

The Zero was a uniquely Japanese design. They went away from US practice and made it very light. Ergo, excellent maneuverability, long range, all too good a climb.

Equally they would not stand up to battle damage and had serious G limitations as well as a lack of ability to turn at something over 200 mph. So standard practice was to dive, get speed and then turn and you could reverse on a Zero (not fast). It also had a low never exceed speed.

There are no secret sauces in Aviation. Its a design spec you try to meet. Japan wanted maneuverability and valued that over speed. They also built some very good latter war aircraft, fortunately in low numbers and quality was lacking by then.

Everyone copied ideas from the others. DH built a Wooden Fighter bomber and Hughes built a wood aircraft as well. DH had experience with wooden aircraft and the produced one of the Premier aircraft of WWII.

But the Zero was no more Hughes derived than the Yamato was based off UK Battleships design (where the Japanese Navy got its start from) and the scrap steel was long gone. Of course you have to wonder how much scrap steel we shipped out when we were still coming out of the Great Depression and how much there really was vs what Japan produced?
 
That is a new one on me. Hughes was no more nor any less versed in modern aircraft design than was Lockheed, Boeing, Republic, North American and so many more. Japan was license building DC-3s and had bought aircraft from other sources.

The Zero was a uniquely Japanese design. They went away from US practice and made it very light. Ergo, excellent maneuverability, long range, all too good a climb.

Equally they would not stand up to battle damage and had serious G limitations as well as a lack of ability to turn at something over 200 mph. So standard practice was to dive, get speed and then turn and you could reverse on a Zero (not fast). It also had a low never exceed speed.

There are no secret sauces in Aviation. Its a design spec you try to meet. Japan wanted maneuverability and valued that over speed. They also built some very good latter war aircraft, fortunately in low numbers and quality was lacking by then.

Everyone copied ideas from the others. DH built a Wooden Fighter bomber and Hughes built a wood aircraft as well. DH had experience with wooden aircraft and the produced one of the Premier aircraft of WWII.

But the Zero was no more Hughes derived than the Yamato was based off UK Battleships design (where the Japanese Navy got its start from) and the scrap steel was long gone. Of course you have to wonder how much scrap steel we shipped out when we were still coming out of the Great Depression and how much there really was vs what Japan produced?
Srap steel to Japan ? It was a hellaof a lot.
I was a small kid at that time living in the Sacramento valley.

We traveled quite often to San Francisco to visit my grand mother, and on these occasions noted many large trainloads of scrap metal headed to the Sf bay for shipment. We were alwqys amazed at the volumne.
I remember my folks saying , The Japs will be shooting it back at us soon.
We all know how that worked out.
Foolish Democrat policies instead of good sense. As a kid I recall FDR being wildely popular and his radio propaganda speeches . I also recall when he died , at the movie news many people were noticeably weeping.
It was a terrible time for our country.
Let us hope and pray Trump can restore our counry and its military .
Other concerns poping up, N. Korea with 11k troops now in Ukrain.

Blitz
 
There's a thread about Colt sending a large shipment of revolvers to Virginia on or right after Fort Sumpter fight started the Civil War.
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/rare-colt-1860.143300

Samuel Colt also shipped the famous McCullough colts (Cimmaron makes 2 copies of the type) to Texas. Only one of these Cimarrons is called McCullough but the much cheaper one differs only in the finish. It's in blue like the originals were leaving the factory, instead of antiqued like the Mccoulloughs appear today.

Colt only sold 3000 guns made in his large new factory powered by a giant water wheel in Patterson between 1837 and 1842. This included two shipments of 500 to the Republic of Texas (for their navy). This was the only decent size purchase order for Pattersons. The navy disbanded after the war (Texas v Mexico / the Alamo et.al). Texas ranger captains like McCullough, Hayes, Walker took the Pattersons stored in a warehouse that nobody else in the Texas military wanted. But the rangers loved them. And used them.

A few years later in 1847 Walker sent a letter to Colt, an unexpected letter which raised the Colt firearms business from the dead. Colt's factory and all company assets had been seized away from him (bankruptcy) in 1842. Now thanks to Ranger Walker, Colt got an order from the U.S. government for 1000 improved revolvers. This order allowed Colt to borrow money from banks to build a new company, and in a year or so later, another even more outrageously large factory. Before the 'Walker' govt. contract, Colt was not welcome at any bank and few persons would reply nicely to his letters. He was sort of persona non grata.

The rangers (Hays, McCullough) also helped Colt designed the 1851 Navy soon after, and Colt named it the "Ranger" revolver in gratitude.

Colt was a Democrat, not a Republican, and these Northern Democrats opposed going to war. McCullough's rangers were going to leave Texas for the war. This would leave all the isolated settlers in Texas at risk to deadly violent Comanche raids. Colt rushed two shipments of 1860 (early models with long flutes) to McCullough on the very day or some say a couple days after Sumpter fell. It was done for humane reasons, the many debts Colt owed to Texas and it's rangers, and Colt was not all that big a supporter of the coming war, to say the least.

2 of the 3 types of engravings on percussion Colts (naval battle, Indian fight) had to do with the Texas rangers. Had there been no Texas and no rangers Colt might have ended up on skid row so to speak, instead of one of the richest men in America. He owed Texas and the rangers everything.

Back in that day, Northern newspapers attacked Colt for these types of shipments. Some of them called for his arrest. But Colt was quick to announce he never shipped any guns after the word got to him that war had been declared, and that no more shipments South would be forthcoming. (He did ship to border States like Kentucky. And two men who planned to become Southern officers after they enlisted, bought hundreds for their troops). One was Nathan Bedford Forrest who I think bought 500, I forget who the other officer was).

Colt did not remain controversial in the North for long. Colt built god knows how many thousands of muskets for the Union. And about 125,000 1860 revolvers, and tens of thousands of other revolver types for the Union during the war. None for the Confederate States. Colt died in the middle of the war 1862. and his factory burnt down for unknown reasons in 1864. The war ended in 1865.

All the above came from my reading the latest and probably best biography of Colt: "Revolver"
81XnA3c9ufL._AC_UY654_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg
Ironically, two of the most successful and prolific arms designers died during their company’s peak of success in the Civil War.
Christopher Spencer and Samuel Colt.
 
Are you trying to say CSA predates the USA?
Bunk!

Blitz

Go and learn what the phrase "sovereign State" means. You hear it every four years at every national convention, "The sovereign State of Oklahoma proudly casts it's eleven votes for your friend and mine, John Smith".
 
When Colt rushed this shipment of 1860 long flute revolvers to Texas, right around the time when Sumpter fell, does anyone know if he was ever paid for those?
I read that Colt quietly wrote off the $25,000 debt years later. Colt knew that the Texas border and frontier was in danger from Mexican bandits and Comanches and probably saw it as a donation to a greater cause and his friends in need in the Republic of Texas.
 
Go and learn what the phrase "sovereign State" means. You hear it every four years at every national convention, "The sovereign State of Oklahoma proudly casts it's eleven votes for your friend and mine, John Smith".
Maybe you should perusee the USA constitution on that subject.
You did not responr to the question.

Blitz
 
" You did not responr to the question. "

Neither I, nor anyone else that I know of, has said that the CSA predates the USA. And neither I, nor anyone else that I know of, is interested in our continuing to post boring text on such trivial side matters to the general subject of this thread.
 
" You did not responr to the question. "

Neither I, nor anyone else that I know of, has said that the CSA predates the USA. And neither I, nor anyone else that I know of, is interested in our continuing to post boring text on such trivial side matters to the general subject of this thread.
OK then what was your statement about ?

Can you clarify intelligently and without a lot of BS ?
 
My wife’s family history ( or rumors) talk about how her great great grandfather Col. Ruffin fired the shot at fort Sumpter that started the war. Rumor has it that he was drunk and fired on a US naval ship.
I saw posted where Nathan Bedford Forest took in a large shipment of Colt revolvers. He was actually the founder of the KKK
 
My wife’s family history ( or rumors) talk about how her great great grandfather Col. Ruffin fired the shot at fort Sumpter that started the war. Rumor has it that he was drunk and fired on a US naval ship.
I saw posted where Nathan Bedford Forest took in a large shipment of Colt revolvers. He was actually the founder of the KKK
Really? He was? Do you know that or read it in a comic book. Did you know he’s was in it and when he found out what they were up to, he quit it and said “boys take off sheets and go home”.
 
Yep I know all about him. He ordered the KKK to disband but he was the only one to leave the group. He actually started it after the war as a gentlemen’s club but thing got out of hand. Our local klan chapter is called The Nathan Bedford Forest Society.
 

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