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Hydro-Operator

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I believe it is a Uberti. I am the original owner, had it for quite some time. Smooth action, haven't shot it a bunch.

I think I read somewhere that they are built/ sighted for 75 yards. I group well off the bench at 50 but a full foot high! 30 grains of 3F. Anyone experience this? Any input is appreciated
 
30 gr. is a pretty stiff load for an 1860 New Army. Try a 25 gr. load to see if that helps. That's what I've got logged as my "standard load". Also might try altering your sight picture so the front sight is lower in the hammer's v-notch. Ya, I know, hard to do with that tiny notch. Finally, I don't know what the zero range is actually supposed to originally be for the 1860, but 75 yds does sound like awfully far for a pistol. 25 yds would be more typical for any of today's hand guns.
 
Haven't seen one that doesn't shoot high. Even the Remington. Doesn't matter the caliber. I have a Remington with adjustable sight. Doesn't do a any good. It shoots high and can't be adjusted to shoot low. Even in 45 Colt they shoot high. I just use Kentucky windage.
 
Hydro-Operator said:
I believe it is a Uberti. I am the original owner, had it for quite some time. Smooth action, haven't shot it a bunch.

I think I read somewhere that they are built/ sighted for 75 yards. I group well off the bench at 50 but a full foot high! 30 grains of 3F. Anyone experience this? Any input is appreciated
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VTIGUNPARTS dot com will have a front sight for the uberti open top 1872 revolver. It’s nearly twice the height of the stock cap and ball sight and you should be dialed in. It’s a very simple matter to drive the sight out of the groove in the barrel and then just tap in the new one. The sight blade for the uberti cattleman fits too but you’ll need to file it down to work.
 
wiscoaster said:
30 gr. is a pretty stiff load for an 1860 New Army. Try a 25 gr. load to see if that helps. That's what I've got logged as my "standard load". Also might try altering your sight picture so the front sight is lower in the hammer's v-notch. Ya, I know, hard to do with that tiny notch. Finally, I don't know what the zero range is actually supposed to originally be for the 1860, but 75 yds does sound like awfully far for a pistol. 25 yds would be more typical for any of today's hand guns.
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I tried 25 grains today and it really opened up my groups. I will continue to experiment. Thanks for the reply
 
Bad Karma said:
VTIGUNPARTS dot com will have a front sight for the uberti open top 1872 revolver. It’s nearly twice the height of the stock cap and ball sight and you should be dialed in. It’s a very simple matter to drive the sight out of the groove in the barrel and then just tap in the new one. The sight blade for the uberti cattleman fits too but you’ll need to file it down to work.
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Ohhhhh. I am going to look into that. Thanks
 
Hydro-Operator said:
I tried 25 grains today and it really opened up my groups. I will continue to experiment. Thanks for the reply
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I use full power loads in my 1860’s and mostly behind conical bullets. New front sights are required in all cases, sometimes I trim the hammer nose for a bit of additional elevation adjustment as well.
 
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nick_1 said:
Pietta Remington .44s come with a nice tall front sight that actually shoots low and allows you to file down to the correct height for you. where you put that sight in the notch is also a very big factor.
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Both makers use the same tall sight on the Remington replicas. The last Uberti 1863 I owned shot round ball to point of aim out of the box. Same as every Pietta Shooters Model I’ve owned. Piettas standard model is very tall. They may be setting folks up with a useful sight for cartridge conversions.
 
Been my experience that the Colts are sighted in level sights for 100 yards. You can either go to a taller front sight or open up the notch in the hammer to get a better sight picture. These pistols are very accurate when set up properly and with the right bullet. Personally if a pistol isn't accurate at 100 yards it just ain't worth having.
 
D Yager said:
...... Personally if a pistol isn't accurate at 100 yards it just ain't worth having.
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Hmmmm .... then pretty much almost no pistols are worth having. That's quite a stretch for a typical handgun. Unless it's a target model with optics. I have seen those (one of the RSOs at one of my ranges has a few he can hit 100 yds with), but they're out of reach of your normal pistol shooters, both money-wise and skill-wise.
 
You can either go to a taller front sight or open up the notch in the hammer to get a better sight picture.
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Rear notch work gets you a better sight picture, you have to file the hammer top down and a deeper notch to get a rear sight to change POI and its a lot.

Bottom line is if it shoots high (and my 58 Rem did as well) then you need a taller front sight and you can file to suit.

Unmentionable cylinders will not hit the same POI as a BP cylinder so you just have to learn where it hits and setup for an average and or adjust the POA as needed. You can do that with the gun period but its a lot of having to aim real low to get it on.

I tapped out the front sight on the 47 Walker and soldered in a taller one.

By the way, the 76 ASP also shoots high.
 
wiscoaster said:
Hmmmm .... then pretty much almost no pistols are worth having. That's quite a stretch for a typical handgun. Unless it's a target model with optics. I have seen those (one of the RSOs at one of my ranges has a few he can hit 100 yds with), but they're out of reach of your normal pistol shooters, both money-wise and skill-wise.
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Its 300 feet not a half mile. The handgun ain't the problem in most cases.
 
Pietta and Uberti have a different dovetail. I have an extra 58 uberti front site ordered accidently from taylors.
 
Its 300 feet not a half mile. The handgun ain't the problem in most cases.
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A BP ball or conical is running 850 FPS, so the drop is a lot more and the wind issues are a lot more as well. Typical rifle is 2500 fps+.

Bottom line is a revolver is a closer in use and the reason we have rifles is further out use.

Sight radius also plays a part. There is a reason rifles exist.

Yes you can shoot 100 yards with a revolver, its not what it was or is intended use wise. People target shoot 22 at 100 yards. Any wind and your results go wild.
 
I usually want my pistols to be able to hit a 6" steel plate @ 50 yards with some degree of consistancy. the single shots being quite a bit more consistant than the revolvers mostly due to the stock triggers on the revolvers. Before I moved two years ago the range I belonged to had a steel pig @ 100 yrds that you could shoot from the pistol range and I would routinely hit that thing with whatever pistol I happened to have at the moment. Not sure randomly hitting 3ft long 18 inch tall pig is accurate.. an 8" steel plate would have been accurate INMOP but the pig was there. where I live now I do not have a formal range and the longest shot @ my home range is 60 yrds on that 6" plate. my single shot pistols do quite well providing I am having a good day ;) there was a fellow on here (tree person)? who used to post videos of a one handed 100 yard shot on a steel plate with an ROA but I think the plate was 18"
 
wiscoaster said:
30 gr. is a pretty stiff load for an 1860 New Army. Try a 25 gr. load to see if that helps. That's what I've got logged as my "standard load". Also might try altering your sight picture so the front sight is lower in the hammer's v-notch. Ya, I know, hard to do with that tiny notch. Finally, I don't know what the zero range is actually supposed to originally be for the 1860, but 75 yds does sound like awfully far for a pistol. 25 yds would be more typical for any of today's hand guns.
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Many years ago, an instructor at the police academy told us that most (hand)gun fights took place at 25 yds. or less, with 15 to 20 feet being the average. If I can put a 3-round group in the X ring on a man-size target at 25 yards, I figure that it will stop all but the most determined assailant. Any farther than that, then I going to a rifle. Most C&B revolvers that I've owned were easily capable of that.
 

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