My unknown rifle journey
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So as I stand and stare at this unfinished rifle thinking what next hating to leave it with wouldas, shouldas and couldas. This idea from a Dude suggestion. How about spot welding the holes in the toe plate. Sand smooth then drill as needed?
Edit: the closer I look at the plate, flipped over and examine fit, it will be trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. For perfection, the only way moving forward is to make a new plate from scratch. Is what it is.
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Worked on barrel. Filing out the original cut marks. Plan to use Jax Black to brown the bright work. Finishing inletting the butt plate as well. Still a number of things to do before stock can be finished.
Ok, Kelvinator, help me out here. I’ve opened up Pandora’s Box in another thread regarding nipples and cap size. You mentioned the original is still on your rifle. Is it sized for #11 caps? If so then end of story. I broached the subject of using winged caps, which is a much larger diameter, thus the need for a nipple specific for winged caps. The nomenclature on web sites do not reference “ this nipple for winged caps”. This all started because I was just given an old unopened can of these caps. And it’s taken me down this rabbit hole.
kelvinator
32 Cal.
Yes, mine fits #11's fine.
I also have a musket nipple threaded 1/4-28 from my substitute powder experimenting days with a past Renegade.
It fits my Allen Uberti Hawken as well and I see no reason one would not fit yours.
If they are still available, Track Of The Wolf will have them, probably others.
I'm not an expert on musket caps so not sure what the 4 tab means (other than they have 4 tabs on them, duh) or what their intended use is for in the musket world. I believe all musket caps are the same size be them 4 tab or otherwise, but again, I'm no expert when it comes to anything musket.
They did provide much more reliable ignition in the Renegade with the harder to ignite substitute powders.
Surprisingly, original Ithaca nipples are available from Numrich, I bought a few for spates last year.
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/522540l
Here’s a comparison , click on to see full details. The winged is larger.
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kelvinator
32 Cal.
Also, I do not recall there being any "4 tab" specific labeling on the musket nipple when I purchased it.
kelvinator
32 Cal.
Yes, the winged musket caps are definitely larger than percussion caps.
But, I "THINK" musket caps are all the same size.
I was just told in another thread that I don’t own a Musket, that I own a rifle. This is starting to drive me crazy.
kelvinator
32 Cal.
Technically, yes... I guess, as a musket is smooth bore, unless it's a rifled musket.
Clear as mud right?
Also I’m batting 1000 on nipple size. M6-1.0 we’re not a good fit. A little wiggly until bottomed out. The 1/4-28 just arrived, though my thread checker said that would work, the new nipples do not fit properly. I’m bummed.
kelvinator
32 Cal.
Okay, I just read the other thread.
What you have is a "Hawken", not a musket (as stated in the other thread, this forum will generally consider a musket to be of military origin).
More specifically, a "Santa Fe Hawken" kit manufactured by Uberti in Italy with a barrel date code of 1985, which at that time would have been imported by Allen F.A. MFG. CO.
But being a kit, there is no Allen F.A. roll mark on the barrel.
It is tapped for a 1/4-28 threaded nipple.
You can use any 1/4-28 threaded nipple in it that is of appropriate dimension to provide a good square fit to the hammer face.
If you want to use the musket caps, to will the need a musket nipple with 1/4-28 threads (forget about the whole 4 tab thing, musket caps are musket caps), this is a hybrid type nipple as most "muskets" have a larger 5/16 thread size.
When you say "the new nipples do not fit properly", are you referring to how they thread in, or how the hammer strike alignment is?
What you have is a "Hawken", not a musket (as stated in the other thread, this forum will generally consider a musket to be of military origin).
More specifically, a "Santa Fe Hawken" kit manufactured by Uberti in Italy with a barrel date code of 1985, which at that time would have been imported by Allen F.A. MFG. CO.
But being a kit, there is no Allen F.A. roll mark on the barrel.
It is tapped for a 1/4-28 threaded nipple.
You can use any 1/4-28 threaded nipple in it that is of appropriate dimension to provide a good square fit to the hammer face.
If you want to use the musket caps, to will the need a musket nipple with 1/4-28 threads (forget about the whole 4 tab thing, musket caps are musket caps), this is a hybrid type nipple as most "muskets" have a larger 5/16 thread size.
When you say "the new nipples do not fit properly", are you referring to how they thread in, or how the hammer strike alignment is?
How they fit it. Really won’t start to thread in.
kelvinator
32 Cal.
Boy they look different. The collection I’ve bought were through the Track of the Wolf , online.
No brand name associated with the product.
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kelvinator
32 Cal.
One thing to keep in mind, your building a Hawken from a kit, from the mid 80"s.
Don't expect everything to fit, in fact, expect most everything will need fitting.
You may/will need to chase threads, bend/cut/grind/make or source new parts to get it right.
Don't expect everything to fit, in fact, expect most everything will need fitting.
You may/will need to chase threads, bend/cut/grind/make or source new parts to get it right.
kelvinator
32 Cal.
As they should, one being sized for the musket cap on top, and the other for #11
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kelvinator
32 Cal.
A few pics of mine.
Mine is missing that info. More mystery.
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