Did Davey Crockett die at the Alamo?

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So who were the "gang", or friends? No names? No names, no friends.,..or gang. Think.......
Sooo...if Bonney wasnt shot...who was dead on the ground after the shooting? Isnt that probably the real question? Sure would be to the guy shot...And where and why did Bonney disappear to all the sudden? He sure didn't try to hide before hand. It is hard to believe that a lifetime hardened criminal suddenly became an angel and dissapeared.
 
Daveboone in Brushy interview with Morrison he stated where he went after the incident. He also stated the couple of times where he was seen by law enforcement. But got away. One of Billy's one time enemies a guy named Evans hired Morrison to look into a land dispute. Evans was the very person who told Morrison where Billy was living. Evans the guy who had hired Morrison told him that they were combatants at one time. So why would he make up such a statement.?
Remember Brushy ( kid ) wasn't looking for any fame or recognition. He just wanted his pardon an nothing more. He also wanted a PRIVATE meeting with the Governor at the time. They turned it ( government ) into a circus . Soon after t he kid died of a heart attack.
 
Daveboone said:
So who were the "gang", or friends? No names? No names, no friends.,..or gang. Think.......
Sooo...if Bonney wasnt shot...who was dead on the ground after the shooting? Isnt that probably the real question? Sure would be to the guy shot...And where and why did Bonney disappear to all the sudden? He sure didn't try to hide before hand. It is hard to believe that a lifetime hardened criminal suddenly became an angel and dissapeared.
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When shot Garrets deputies said it was the wrong man,
The kid was running out of New Mexico at the time, hearing Garret shot you would be a help
People were who they said they were then. There was no ID. William Bonny was an alias. A new name in a new town wouldn’t be out of the question
 
Daveboone said:
So who were the "gang", or friends? No names? No names, no friends.,..or gang. Think.......
Sooo...if Bonney wasnt shot...who was dead on the ground after the shooting? Isnt that probably the real question? Sure would be to the guy shot...And where and why did Bonney disappear to all the sudden? He sure didn't try to hide before hand. It is hard to believe that a lifetime hardened criminal suddenly became an angel and dissapeared.
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you need to look at some videos on the subject, there is a lot of info on it. to vast to go into here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
mikesto44 said:
Daveboone in Brushy interview with Morrison he stated where he went after the incident. He also stated the couple of times where he was seen by law enforcement. But got away. One of Billy's one time enemies a guy named Evans hired Morrison to look into a land dispute. Evans was the very person who told Morrison where Billy was living. Evans the guy who had hired Morrison told him that they were combatants at one time. So why would he make up such a statement.?
Remember Brushy ( kid ) wasn't looking for any fame or recognition. He just wanted his pardon an nothing more. He also wanted a PRIVATE meeting with the Governor at the time. They turned it ( government ) into a circus . Soon after t he kid died of a heart attack.
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The problem with all of what you refer, is that Brushy is the sole witness to all the statements. Okay, Evans...when was i interviewed? where are his statements? Evans could very well be the instigator of misinformation if he could gain by Billy still being alive and able to settle the land dispute. All 2nd hand, very shaky info. What is not shaky...multiple witnesses to Billys killing, that he was present before...and very much after (dead). Myself, I dont have any brands in this fire...but inevitably with these potential missing people who ...show up decades later, someone has a lot to gain. Billys pardon? Does anyone really think he would have been pardoned for killing to deputies in his jail break?
 
Loyalist Dave said:
So my questions would be:

B) How and when did Santa Anna recognize Crockett was a Mason? Masons were much more secretive in the 19th century and prior, and a secret Masonic hand gesture would be needed for one Mason to signal to another that he was a brother. Then in private conversation this could be confirmed between two Masons.

LD
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A phrase could have been spoken by Crockett to alert Santa Anna to his request for mercy. A hand gesture / embrace would have confirmed he was a Mason.

My question would be why a good catholic boy like Santa Anna be part of the Masonic Lodge? Since 1738, Catholics were not allowed to be members of a Masonic lodge because the Catholic Church officially prohibited it. The Church considering the principles and rituals of Freemasonry to be incompatible with Catholic doctrine. The battle happened approximately 98 years later.

My opinion, for what it's worth is Davey Crockett never left the Alamo alive.
 
olskool said:
i have saw a lot on the subject and have never saw that. where is the video or article
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I truly dont recall the source, but it was an interview on talk radio about 2 years ago. I remember because we were driving south on hwy 281, almost in Hico.
 
Eterry said:
Another thing...I read a lengthy article about the Alamo and General Coz was quoted many times, saying how they had captured Crockett and Coz asked Santa Anna, who was related to him, to spare Crockett life due to him being a US Senator. But SA didn't want to hear it, and orders him bayoneted by soldiers.
I will look for the book.
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that would be a bad way to die. ughh
 
Loyalist Dave said:
So my questions would be:

A) have they confirmed that Crockett was a Mason? Of what lodge? IF they can document Joseph Brant being a Mason in the 18th century, they should be able to point to when and where Crockett became such.

B) How and when did Santa Anna recognize Crockett was a Mason? Masons were much more secretive in the 19th century and prior, and a secret Masonic hand gesture would be needed for one Mason to signal to another that he was a brother. Then in private conversation this could be confirmed between two Masons.

C) IF Santa Anna is alleged to have encountered Crockett alive, HOW did Crockett avoid the "no quarter" order given to the Mexican infantrymen (no prisoners) ? Santa Anna would not have been in the first wave that entered the grounds.

D) So IF Crockett did live long enough to catch Santa Anna's attention, and signal him, and was given special dispensation due to Masonic connections, where did Davey Crockett go, and where did he eventually die? Being sent to a mine is hardly the treatment one would give a brother Mason, whose life had just been spared. IF he was thought to be guilty of Rebellion against Santa Anna's rule, a quick and merciful death and Masonic rites at burial would be much more likely.

E) Were the alleged documents that seem to hint that Crockett survived, checked against timelines and family trees? In the first half of the 19th century, IF one had a relative that was elected to The House of Representatives in the US Congress, it would be quite normal for others in the Crockett family to name a boy "David" after their illustrious relative. More so after the heroic death at the Alamo, which is why I think the documents were given to "David Crockett" but not to the one that was at the Alamo.

LD
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LD, the only question I can answer is to Crockett being a Freemason. I take this quote from the Ohio Grand Lodge website.

His Masonic Apron, made for him by Mrs. A.C. Massie of Washington, D.C., is the only proof that Crockett was a Mason. Before he moved west, Brother Crockett entrusted the apron to the sheriff of Weakley County, Tennessee. It was inherited and preserved by the sheriff’s nephew, E.M. Taylor of Paducah, Kentucky. The lodge in Weakley County, near the Crockett home, burned during the Civil War, destroying all the lodge records.
His Apron is still in the possession of the heirs of the nephew.
 
I read somewhere that Santa Anna was a Mason. His being recognized as one by fellow Mason Sam Houston is probably what saved his life. A bunch of Texicans wanted him dead, be it by rope or firing squad.
 
Daveboone said:
The problem with all of what you refer, is that Brushy is the sole witness to all the statements. Okay, Evans...when was i interviewed? where are his statements? Evans could very well be the instigator of misinformation if he could gain by Billy still being alive and able to settle the land dispute. All 2nd hand, very shaky info. What is not shaky...multiple witnesses to Billys killing, that he was present before...and very much after (dead). Myself, I dont have any brands in this fire...but inevitably with these potential missing people who ...show up decades later, someone has a lot to gain. Billys pardon? Does anyone really think he would have been pardoned for killing to deputies in his jail break?
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He was promised that pardon In Spite of killing deputies, this was a range war after all
And the witnesses at the time said it wasn’t Billy
Brushy Bill didn’t have anything to gain except a pardon, he was 90 and dying.
Facial recognition software gives it a 98% match
Evens sold his book with or without the pardon
The whole story sounds like an old man wanting to make right before the end.
 

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