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Prove your contention with the tuned up Dragoon. You risk it with the plus P loads with no apparent misgivings and already have the platform for it ! Your all set up to give it a go.

There would be a market for convertible magnum cylinders so chambered though if it were safe and there are none ! Not even in the massive Walkers or Dragoons let alone the rebated cylinder 60. As was earlier pointed out the conversion cylinder makers using heat treated 4140 alloy are not afraid...

I already have several times if you go back and read all the posts. Let's see, no magnum revolvers are made in open frame guns, the cartridge conversion cylinder makers will not chamber them in magnums, bolt action rifles with single lugs are know to be weaker and do not exceed about 40 k...

Exactly and me to !

It's an opposing view that happens to be true, not an attack . It's sad you cannot except that.

The argument is over equal design strength not wither or not plus P loads can be safely fired in open frame guns. Magnum pressure over a 500 round count will prove the claim true or false. No one is booing the experiments with plus P loads. It was simply pointed out that none of the cartridge...

Now your moving the goal posts. The original contention is that open frame design is just as structurally strong as closed and I maintain that it isn't and never will be. 30K magnum pressure is enough to prove the point even though their is much higher pressure revolver cartridges available...

Ok, run the 60 to 30K Dicky my Ladd and prove the same contention !

All he has demonstrated is that a very massive open frame gun (Dragoon) has thus far contained some plus P pressure levels "not magnum" ( which by the way would test his equal strength contention) pressure levels, as efficiently as closed frame design. The test would need to be conducted with at...

This thinking is patently absurd and provably false ! Open frame design will never be able to handle thrust pressure as efficiently as closed frame design ! If it were superior or even equivalent then open frame Magnum level revolvers would be produced. Even with the advance of alloys and heat...

Good read and I had not previously heard of the BPM cartridge. A few years ago I re-barreled and chambered a Martini Cadet I was making for a gong rifle in .357 Maximum for the very same volume increase reason with the idea of shooting black powder in it. Never have gotten around to shooting...

Colts open frame design is and was perfectly adequate for black powder stress levels but became inadequate when the pressure and velocity levels of semi smokeless and smokeless powder was invented and became widely used. The design also flexes more than does solid frame construction and is...

A mechanical engineer trained in metallurgy could calculate the stress requirements and added steel mass needed for equivalent strength in an open frame design just as they can in bridges, buildings and airplanes. Open frames simply are not as an efficient or strong design as closed frames are...

I'm expecting this trigger spring to fail eventually any way and will make one of the stainless ones I have installed on some of my other guns when the factory ones give up after time and use. I do like to smooth and radius the edges on the factory jobs to make them last as long as possible and...

But not even close to 44 Magum pressure !

Actually the opposite is the reality !

The open frame is weaker for the same reason a single bolt lug is weaker in center fire rifles, Single sided off set support does not handle pressure as well as opposite two side support with less steel ( arbor with a wedge slot cut in the middle of it) to withstand the thrust pressure. The...

Your right it would be reckless in your hand but not fired remotely to test your contention. The Dragoon has far more steel mass in the frame and barrel than does the Ruger Bisley and yet the closed design can handle hte pressure easily. The difference is alloy and design just as in all the...

Yeah, especially the TOTW kits ! I had to wait several months to get the stock quality I ordered and I didn't think it had the quality of tiger stripping I had paid extra for. It did have all the furniture ordered . The lock, loading rod and barrel mortise's were cut very cleanly and placed...

I had to add a taller front blade to a Ruger I have when I adopted heavy bullets for my favorite load and they mailed me one free as I remember it. That sure beat having to mill one out from bar stock. I really am leery of shipping guns personally but many folks do it regularly with little problem.