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Mike has refuted his claims and proven what he (45D) has said on here many many times but you can't make an irrational person rational anymore than you can force a horse to drink.
All he has demonstrated is that a very massive open frame gun (Dragoon) has thus far contained some plus P pressure levels "not magnum" ( which by the way would test his equal strength contention) pressure levels, as efficiently as closed frame design. The test would need to be conducted with at least 500 rounds and then if the revolver survived the barrel cylinder gap re-measured to confirm that no stretch has been noted.
Also it must be remembered that none of the manufacturer's I'm aware of will advise or recommend plus P loads in their convertible cylinders and it ain't the cylinder their worried about .
 
All he has demonstrated is that a very massive open frame gun (Dragoon) has thus far contained some plus P pressure levels "not magnum" ( which by the way would test his equal strength contention) pressure levels, as efficiently as closed frame design. The test would need to be conducted with at least 500 rounds and then if the revolver survived the barrel cylinder gap re-measured to confirm that no stretch has been noted.
Also it must be remembered that none of the manufacturer's I'm aware of will advise or recommend plus P loads in their convertible cylinders and it ain't the cylinder their worried about .
He's shown 1860s shooting Plus P 45 ACP. That's not a dragoon so don't lie about what he's shown.
 
Ok, run the 60 to 30K Dicky my Ladd and prove the same contention !

Thanks Dicky!!

Well, Dicky isn't your Ladd and I never set out to push a 30K round through a '60 !!! Still got that "bug" for 30K in your head? Where (again) does that even come from? What "same contention"? You're not making any sense.

Mike
 
All he has demonstrated is that a very massive open frame gun (Dragoon) has thus far contained some plus P pressure levels "not magnum" ( which by the way would test his equal strength contention) pressure levels, as efficiently as closed frame design. The test would need to be conducted with at least 500 rounds and then if the revolver survived the barrel cylinder gap re-measured to confirm that no stretch has been noted.
Also it must be remembered that none of the manufacturer's I'm aware of will advise or recommend plus P loads in their convertible cylinders and it ain't the cylinder their worried about .
I don't understand the argument here. I must be dense because it's not getting through to me. Let me put it into words as it appears to me:

1. Open tops aren't a strong design. Common opinion and M.D.L.
2. Proof: manufacturers don't make open top Magnums (M.D.L.)
3. (45D) debunks that datum by shooting nearly double the intended pressure loads in open tops
4. #3 isn't valid proof since 45D isn't shooting Magnum loads (M.D.L.)

And then it's also not valid proof because 45D is using a massive open top. Well, yeah - aren't magnums massive guns?
But 45D isn't shooting magnum loads in a massive open top...

What have I missed in this logic sequence?

Ok - we'll find out just how much a Walker can handle since 45D is working his way up gradually. At some point it'll reach its limit. Perhaps someone would like to test a Walker conversion to see if it will survive magnum loads. Do it now, and see if it self destructs. (please don't do it where you could get hurt!)

Being that the Walker was the most powerful revolver till the 357 Mag, it shouldn't take much to reach magnum levels. (which seems proof enough to me - as if the concept and design hasn't already been proven)
 
All he has demonstrated is that a very massive open frame gun (Dragoon) has thus far contained some plus P pressure levels "not magnum" ( which by the way would test his equal strength contention) pressure levels, as efficiently as closed frame design. The test would need to be conducted with at least 500 rounds and then if the revolver survived the barrel cylinder gap re-measured to confirm that no stretch has been noted.

Do you even read anything around here? I've posted for years here about +p's fired in my '60's with up to 2000 rounds of which at least a third have been +p rounds. So that would be 2000 rounds with a minimum 21,000 psi with a third of them being 23,000 psi.


Also it must be remembered that none of the manufacturer's I'm aware of will advise or recommend plus P loads in their convertible cylinders and it ain't the cylinder their worried about .

Again man, do you read ANY posts posted? I just posted about this this afternoon!!!
I run this ammo as a test of the OPEN-TOP PLATFORM ( not Open Frame , I don't even know what that would be!!!).

Mike
 
I've posted for years here about +p's fired in my '60's with up to 2000 rounds of which at least a third have been +p rounds. So that would be 2000 rounds with a minimum 21,000 psi with a third of them being 23,000 psi.
Correction: One third of 2,000 would be close to 700 rounds of +p loads. Oops - didn't totally duplicate your statement. Yes, you did say that a third of the 2,000 were at 23,000 psi.
 
This thinking is patently absurd and provably false ! Open frame design will never be able to handle thrust pressure as efficiently as closed frame design !

Actually, I proved THIS thinking wrong the first day I shot +p 45acp ammo in THE first '60 Army to make to a range and be fired!!! The first 5 +p rounds were shot in a TOP STRAP Pietta copy of the Colt SAA!!! Those were the ONLY rounds fired in that revolver. The Pietta SAA copy moved enough to not allow the 45C cylinder to be loaded when installed.
So, on that day and henceforth, the OPEN-TOP platform WOULD be able to handle ammo pressures that many TOP STRAP SA's can't.
TOTALLY PROVED !!!
(notice the word Magnum hasn't appeared until this sentence)

Mike
 
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