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Hussar Kind

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Hello fellow enthusiasts of muzzleloaders, I've been reading the forum for a long time and now finally have something to post about.

Today after a long wait, I got all the necessary equipment to go and shoot my SB musket for the first time, a Pedersoli Ussaro, the carbine version of the Charleville in .69 caliber. (It is an older model and is the special edition, but brand new till today). It was my first time shooting anything Black Powder . By the time I finished bullet casting, it was getting dark, so I only ended it up shooting it twice.

Well I've got to say it was some of the most fun I've ever had. I missed on the first shot, because I was expecting maybe a little delay because I only had ffg to put in the pan, but it was near instantaneous. It felt just like a smokeless but, only about 100 times more satisfying. The chickens didn't take to kindly to the noise and all simultaneously learned to fly, and the spectators took to swearing because it wasn't what they were expecting.

The second shot I was ready, and I hit the target (again instantaneous), more chickens scattered, but none escaped the fence (No chickens were harmed in the Chaos). It was then dark, so when light comes again, I'm going to set up some paper and see what kind of accuracy I can get. I am very much looking forward to a lot of black powder shooting in my future.

Now for a 2 shot review of the musket thus far, because I have yet to see any reviews of this particular musket.

Pedersoli Ussaro .69 caliber, 27 11/16 barrel length, 42 15/16 overall length.

The Price. I got it on sale, so the one minor aesthetic thing didn't bother me(small barrel band gap, ramrod did though), but probably would have slightly if I had paid full retail price(It also had been sitting around for a long time before I got it).

Bore size. I don't have any access to calipers, nor do I have money to go out and buy a set, but is most definitely not .69, It took a .662 ball with a very thin patch, to load so i'm thinking a .680? So definitely measure bore size before ordering the mold, I just happened to luck out with the .662.

The Size. I'm 6'3'' and I think the size is perfect, for me anyways. It shoulders perfectly, and is real easy to point. My dad wants to take it deer hunting this year, because it looks just about perfect for that. I don't think I would've been as happy with a full sized Charleville, but considering I haven't handled one the point is moot.

The Weight/Recoil. According to the website it weighs 7.5 pounds which feels like a good weight to carry around for long periods of time. I hadn't picked it up for a while, and I went to grab it for some pointing and was kind of shocked at how light it feels. It also has pretty good balance(the last gun I shot was way front heavy). The recoil was actually not bad considering, I thought it would pack quite the wallop with how light it was, but was quite manageable (this was with the lightest recommended load, I have yet to try The Max load).

The Boom. It was the coolest gun boom I've ever heard.

The Looks. I think it looks great, maybe the brass barrel band could be back a little further, there is a small gap between the wood and the band, but it doesn't bother me at all. The brass pan looks awesome on the lock, the large trigger guard also awesome looking, over all a very pleasing musket to look at. ( The ramrod also makes it look unique, but see the ram rod section)

Trigger pull. Felt very smooth and crisp. Not sure of the weight but I don't think I would make it any lighter feels good as is.

The Lock. Functioned flawlessly for a test spark and two shots, more testing to be done.

Accuracy. Need to do testing, practice some more, and work up some loads. I'll do a test report once I've used it a bit more. Only has a front sight which is molded as one piece with the brass band.

Ramrod. In my opinion there is only one true thing wrong with this particular musket, later versions might not be set up like this, and it is that the ramrod that shipped with the musket is about 5 inches to short to be anything useful. It travels through the stock of the musket, which is why in pictures the ramrod sits about 2/3's of the length of the barrel, but it seems they did not put a long enough channel that, the right sized rod would create the same look. As it is, I will have to find a replacement rod of the exact same size for it to fit in the channel for hunting, which would sit just about flush with the end of the barrel. ( I had to make a range rod the other day)

Wow, that was pretty long for a first post!!
Horseless Hussar.
 
Ive tried 4fg in the pan and find in my muskets it doesn't make much difference. B
een shooting bess since about 1988
 
Your is the M.1786 Hussar carbine, also used by the chasseurs a cheval regiments since both were considered 'light' cavalry. These short carbines were and are considered inaccurate, but this is more a result of using .62" balls in .69" bores as was standard practice for military paper cartridges. I"ve been trying to find one of these M.1786 carbines just to prove the accuracy tag wrong...but not many seem to have made it to the U.S. You get to be my surrogate research! :wink: :haha:
 
I have a Pedersoli Bess Carbine that is very accurate. I think the carbines get a bad rap because the barrels are shorter. If you load them correctly, accuracy isn't a problem.
 
Britsmoothy, I'll Post some pictures once I have access to a camera, which should be later tonight and then I have to figure out those photo hosting sites.

spudnut, It's firing so good, I don't think I'll even try 4fg.

bpd303, Originally i was going to get the .675 but couldn't find one at a good price, so I got the .662 to do paper patch loads. I just tried a bare ball cast out of a lyman .662 mold and it is almost bore size. If I roughed it up a little i don't think I would need a patch so I don't think the .675 would even fit. The patch I was using burned up in the firing. I'll try to find some calipers to get an accurate measure.

rj morrison, thank you for the suggestion, but my ramrod is not threaded at all, and is too short for a full cleaning, so I'm just wrapping an undersized shotgun brush with cloth and using it to clean.

Wes/Tex we'll prove them wrong, I'll try to wring every last ounce of accuracy out of it, I just need to get used to the firing of it. The first time I shot it, I thought I would shoot as was originally intended, without headphones. But..... It's loud, so headphones from now on.

Many Klatch, I think it will prove to be very accurate and the short barrel is awesome, so easy to carry around.
 
Hello fellow enthusiasts of muzzleloaders, I've been reading the forum for a long time and now finally have something to post about.

Today after a long wait, I got all the necessary equipment to go and shoot my SB musket for the first time, a Pedersoli Ussaro, the carbine version of the Charleville in .69 caliber. (It is an older model and is the special edition, but brand new till today). It was my first time shooting anything Black Powder . By the time I finished bullet casting, it was getting dark, so I only ended it up shooting it twice.

Well I've got to say it was some of the most fun I've ever had. I missed on the first shot, because I was expecting maybe a little delay because I only had ffg to put in the pan, but it was near instantaneous. It felt just like a smokeless but, only about 100 times more satisfying. The chickens didn't take to kindly to the noise and all simultaneously learned to fly, and the spectators took to swearing because it wasn't what they were expecting.

The second shot I was ready, and I hit the target (again instantaneous), more chickens scattered, but none escaped the fence (No chickens were harmed in the Chaos). It was then dark, so when light comes again, I'm going to set up some paper and see what kind of accuracy I can get. I am very much looking forward to a lot of black powder shooting in my future.

Now for a 2 shot review of the musket thus far, because I have yet to see any reviews of this particular musket.

Pedersoli Ussaro .69 caliber, 27 11/16 barrel length, 42 15/16 overall length.

The Price. I got it on sale, so the one minor aesthetic thing didn't bother me(small barrel band gap, ramrod did though), but probably would have slightly if I had paid full retail price(It also had been sitting around for a long time before I got it).

Bore size. I don't have any access to calipers, nor do I have money to go out and buy a set, but is most definitely not .69, It took a .662 ball with a very thin patch, to load so i'm thinking a .680? So definitely measure bore size before ordering the mold, I just happened to luck out with the .662.

The Size. I'm 6'3'' and I think the size is perfect, for me anyways. It shoulders perfectly, and is real easy to point. My dad wants to take it deer hunting this year, because it looks just about perfect for that. I don't think I would've been as happy with a full sized Charleville, but considering I haven't handled one the point is moot.

The Weight/Recoil. According to the website it weighs 7.5 pounds which feels like a good weight to carry around for long periods of time. I hadn't picked it up for a while, and I went to grab it for some pointing and was kind of shocked at how light it feels. It also has pretty good balance(the last gun I shot was way front heavy). The recoil was actually not bad considering, I thought it would pack quite the wallop with how light it was, but was quite manageable (this was with the lightest recommended load, I have yet to try The Max load).

The Boom. It was the coolest gun boom I've ever heard.

The Looks. I think it looks great, maybe the brass barrel band could be back a little further, there is a small gap between the wood and the band, but it doesn't bother me at all. The brass pan looks awesome on the lock, the large trigger guard also awesome looking, over all a very pleasing musket to look at. ( The ramrod also makes it look unique, but see the ram rod section)

Trigger pull. Felt very smooth and crisp. Not sure of the weight but I don't think I would make it any lighter feels good as is.

The Lock. Functioned flawlessly for a test spark and two shots, more testing to be done.

Accuracy. Need to do testing, practice some more, and work up some loads. I'll do a test report once I've used it a bit more. Only has a front sight which is molded as one piece with the brass band.

Ramrod. In my opinion there is only one true thing wrong with this particular musket, later versions might not be set up like this, and it is that the ramrod that shipped with the musket is about 5 inches to short to be anything useful. It travels through the stock of the musket, which is why in pictures the ramrod sits about 2/3's of the length of the barrel, but it seems they did not put a long enough channel that, the right sized rod would create the same look. As it is, I will have to find a replacement rod of the exact same size for it to fit in the channel for hunting, which would sit just about flush with the end of the barrel. ( I had to make a range rod the other day)

Wow, that was pretty long for a first post!!
Horseless Hussar.

This seems like a Kiss and Tell story from high school. I think all of us have had the same experience and the same feelings.
I'm almost jealous because I miss that feeling of the first muzzleloading shot.
I was different and better than the easy experience with a .22 and was better than the experience in the army with the Garand M! and very unsatisfactory M1 Carbine.
That first BOOM, THE CLOUD OF SMOKE, THE SMELL THE RECOIL WERE ALL DIFFERENT.
Thank you for your first post. This a great example of the stories a lot f you good folks are keeping from us by not posting.
A lot of the funniest stuff happens when we first stumble into and onto this great hobby or sport. What happened to ou early on my be embarrassing in a big way but even the old timers would get laugh because in many cases itALL HAPPENED TO THEM AS IT DID TO YOU
Dutch Schoultz
 
This seems like a Kiss and Tell story from high school. I think all of us have had the same experience and the same feelings.
I'm almost jealous because I miss that feeling of the first muzzleloading shot.
I was different and better than the easy experience with a .22 and was better than the experience in the army with the Garand M! and very unsatisfactory M1 Carbine.
That first BOOM, THE CLOUD OF SMOKE, THE SMELL THE RECOIL WERE ALL DIFFERENT.
Thank you for your first post. This a great example of the stories a lot f you good folks are keeping from us by not posting.
A lot of the funniest stuff happens when we first stumble into and onto this great hobby or sport. What happened to ou early on my be embarrassing in a big way but even the old timers would get laugh because in many cases itALL HAPPENED TO THEM AS IT DID TO YOU
Dutch Schoultz

The Silliest, no Stupidous thing I ever did was very very early days I had a beautiful cap and ball pistol which I loaded correctly in all six chambers and for some reason after firing two shots I decided to check on things so I turned the pistol, with my finger on the trigger so I could look at the front and see if I had had any chain firing. As I looked the gn was now pointed straight at my head and all I could see was the little tomb stones residing in the yet unfire chambers. I had come within a light touch on the trigger of blowing my brains out.
I broke into a fear sweat and never did anything that stupid again.
I hope i'm the only clown who has scared himself as badly.
Dutch Schoultz
 
The Silliest, no Stupidous thing I ever did was very very early days I had a beautiful cap and ball pistol which I loaded correctly in all six chambers and for some reason after firing two shots I decided to check on things so I turned the pistol, with my finger on the trigger so I could look at the front and see if I had had any chain firing. As I looked the gn was now pointed straight at my head and all I could see was the little tomb stones residing in the yet unfire chambers. I had come within a light touch on the trigger of blowing my brains out.
I broke into a fear sweat and never did anything that stupid again.
I hope i'm the only clown who has scared himself as badly.
Dutch Schoultz

First time I ever shot a cap and ball revolver I was doing the “flip the gun in the air” trick they do on the westerns after each shot. Well I did that while cocking the hammer, just like John Wayne, and with the barrel vertical KABOOM!!! went off spraying powder particles painfully all over my face. I was utterly horrified. This was also the exact moment a neighbor decided to walk up to me. I don’t think he saw what happened but am not sure to this day!
 
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