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Does anyone shoot (or hunt) with one of these using patched round ball? What kind of groups are you getting? I have read the rifling is shallow, what kind of powder charges are you using and do you find too much will "skip" the rifling?

I am interested in getting one (probably the Armi Sport) to use at the range and also as a "bad weather" hunting rifle. If anyone in Virginia (or parts of NC, MD, or PA) has one I could try I would be happy to bring the powder!

Thanks in advance,
Sharps54
 
i have one it is an old navy arms. it shot well as a .58. then i had hoyt reline it to .54 the cal they were made in. it is a 1-48 twist. i have shot round ball in it a lot. it does well i have won a lot of meat with it.
 
I would not worry about any PRB " skipping " in shallow rifling. If the ball is made of soft lead, its going to expand on firing, to force the patching into the grooves, and that will transfer the rifling's spin to the ball quite nicely.

Many of the old complaints about shooting RB in shallow rifled barrel came from people who didn't measure the bore of the gun before buying a mold, or balls for it, and often were using balls that were way undersized for it. Then you also had complaints, when the real cause of inaccuacy was blown patches, or burned patches, the wrong powder charges, etc. People just thought there was some " standard " powder charge and ball to use in all the guns, and didn't know how to, or that it was important to bench the gun and work up a load for that particular gun. Then, later, we started seeing problems with the bedding of the tang and barrels in the stocks, so that no matter how good a load they had, shooters still had shots all over the place because the barrel could shift in the stock.

If you go to the re-enactments held particularly on the East coast, where these type of Military reproductions are often used, the dealers on commercial row often include gunsmith to specialize in accurizing these kinds of guns. Some of the bores are so bad they need liners to make them shoot right. Most need to be bedded properly. Some need different sights than what comes from overseas, both to make them more accurate representations of originals, but also to help the shooter shoot them more accurately! And, of course, many need action and trigger work done so you don't bruise your thumb cocking, or your trigger finger firing the gun. There are other " Tricks of the trade" you can learn by hanging out around the right people! Some of them are even members here.
 
I had one in 58cal shot Round Balls and Mini's it was great fun. Someone wanted more than me along with all my other guns many years ago.
 
My 1863 Remington groups the .562 round ball with a .020 patch very well. Have not tried more than 80 grains ffg in it with a round ball. The problem of course is the sights. They are set for a heavy minie and 60 grains ffg. So the round balls are high and wide. I can also get a .570 down it but don't like using the thin patches.
 
I live in WV and have been wanting a Mississippi
for Sooooo long (at least 20 yrs). Well..I have been watching the auction sites. Bout a month ago
a Mississippi was for sale...it had only been listed for one hour...I hesitated about hitting the BUY IT NOW BUTTON...I debated for 5 minutes and decided to go for it....too late it was sold.
3 days later another came up for sale and I didnt Hesitate....and I am Glad I didnt! This Zoli was mine for $250 and its serial is 78xx . Looks Just about new. Performs like a Pro with Minnies or ball.
Balanced and handles like a dream...
These guns are just so sweet...!
All I can say is you wont be sorry a bit if ya get one! Make sure to buy alot of lead and cast yer own! You wont want to quit shootin!
 
Thanks for all the responses so far. I was hoping to find some folks that had Armi Sports to get some shooting impressions. I guess I'll try the NSSA site. I was hesitant to try there because my understanding is they can't use patched balls and I didn't want to bring off topic discussions to the NSSA boards.
Sharps54
 
what do ya mean they cant use patched balls?
My 41 has 1 in 66 rifleing....
what does yours have?

Although we usually talk about traditional arms we also "Speak of Military Arms"
 
Scalper, I don't have one but am thinking about buying one. I might be wrong (wouldn't be the first time) but my understanding was that you can't use patches in NSSA competition so I didn't want to ask this on thier forum. Maybe it's just smoothbore muskets that can't use patches in NSSA matches. :hmm:
 
well yes and no to the nssa patching, if ball is to be patched it must be wraped in tin foil.kjg
 
The tin foil is for smoothbore shooting, they can't use a cloth patched round ball so the tin foil is to take up the windage.
 
Heck Sharps....that what thier forum is FOR!
If ya dont ask questions...ya end up doing alot of readin in order to answer yer own question!
 
I thought everyone knew that Reynolds Aluminum was a large defense contractor back in the 1840's and '50's! That's what made them what they are today! :wink: They almost went under when when Jefferson Davis approved the use of the Minie expanding ball and the new '55 Model rifle.
 
I have joined their forum and may still ask but the Mississippi Rifle will have to wait awhile, I just found a deal on a Shiloh Sharps 1863 Sporting Rifle in, you guessed it, .54 so I'm buying it instead. As you may guess from my screen name I have a fondness for Sharps rifles...

I'll probably end up with a Mississippi for bad weather hunting (or a 1842 smoothbore musket) but for now the Shiloh is taking all my fun money.
Sharps54
 
My son just bought a 1841 miss. rifle 58 cal. and we were trying to figure out what rate of twist they have? He would like to shoot round balls in it if he can, any sugestions on loads to try in it? He will need to get some idea on what stuff to buy. thanks trapper :thumbsup:
 
The Euroarms M1841 has a 1 in 66 twist. It is three groove rifling designed for a minie bullet, but should spin a round ball OK.
 

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