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1851 Colt made in late 70's

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Came across a 1851 Colt production revolver made in the late 70 to early 80's according to the salesman.
I got to examine the broken down gun quite thoroughly and it is in pristine condition.
It has a seven inch barrel and square back trigger guard.
The steel frame is nicely cased as well.
The gun is far better fit and finished than the Pietta's I have.
They're asking 500.00, is it a descent buy? Mike D.
 
The price seems like it might be a Colt. The 1851 Navy has a silver plated square backed trigger guard. A few had rounded ones. If it is a Colt, I don't think that is a bad price. :thumbsup:
 
Don't tell them you think it is in like new condition.

Now is the time to take advantage of the same line they would give the previous owner.

"It's sure not worth what it would be if someone hadn't shot it.
You know, shooting one of these Colt made guns really hurts it's value...."

Tell the seller that and offer him $400 for it (if you really want to spend that much on it). :grin:
 
Zonie's right, don't talk about the pristine shine--talk about the fact it has been fired and is now used.

Toomuch
...............
Shoot Flint
 
Like-new condition infers unfired condition.
Use the bargaining chip you have to go down on the price.

The Colt revolvers in the first run during the '70's had a brown wood-grain pattern on the box with a hinged lid.

The second run in the '80's had black boxes about 3-4" high, and black styrofoam liners and the instructions in a clear plastic envelope affixed to the inside of the hinged lid.

Both of these runs were much better than the third run in quality, known as the "Signature Series" that came out around 2002(?).
 
The Colts I own have a light brown wood grain, two piece styrofoam box and a brown wood grained cardboard sleeve over the foam box. There seems to be several different ways they came packaged. :hmm:
 
DoubleDeuce 1 said:
The Colts I own have a light brown wood grain, two piece styrofoam box and a brown wood grained cardboard sleeve over the foam box.

I bought mine in 1974 or early 75 and that's how it came. The 2nd generation guns are much prized over the signature series.
 
Went back today and looked at the gun again and asked to see the box.
It was an off white card board box that had the Colt logo on the side and said nothing about the "Signature series" on the box or in the literature .
Would I be correct in assuming it a 2nd generation then?
They did say it was manufactured in the late 70's as previously stated.
I ask if they were firm on the price and was told by the sales person, yes.
Told him I would do some more research and get back to them.
Still seems a bit steep to me for a used gun although it is in very fine condition.
Odd, these folks seemed completely ignorant to the generation aspect of Colt production.
. Mike D.
 
There ignorance probably comes from the fact that they are not a black powder shop. Like Zonie said it is a used gun try the talk down. If you are not comfortable doing that then I have a 1976 Ford Pinto owned by a little of lady who only drove it to church on Sunday & Wednesday it is in Pristine condition.
 
A quick indication on whether or not it is a Signature Series gun or not, would be if there is the "Sam'l Colt" signature on the back strap. The second generation guns did not have that. If you can get the serial number, you might be able to check the approx date of manufacture.

As for the box, I have also seen a sort of plain cover with drawings of the revolver on it, sort of like a blue print (for lack of a better description and memory). :hmm: :idunno:
 
From your description I would not assume the Colt is a 2nd Generation. The box description does not have enough detail to identify it. If you can post a picture of the box would settle if the box is 2nd Generation or Signature series. The Navy could also be in the wrong box.

As DoubleDeuce 1 said both the serial number will help as well as if the Navy has the little engraved "Sam'l Colt" signature near the top of the back strap which indicates a Signature Series. Have seen the signature taken off or filled in so be aware of that as well.

Regarding 2nd Generation Colt 1851 Navy boxes the earliest ones are small, hinged lid, black covered outside with Colt logo in golden color on the lid's top center. The inside is mostly dark green with some outside black covering folded and secured inside. These boxes were used for a few thousand Navies.

Next was a small hinged lid brown and very light brown outside box with the cylinder's naval battle scene copied on most of the box lid. The third box was a wood grain box, with end flaps, having an insert of two piece rigid styrofoam. All these boxes were for the " C " series model prefix.

Then about 1978 came the " F " series model prefix with the big black, thick boxes, with the grey flexible foam insert. These big boxes were continued until production stopped in approximately 1982.

Did the literature you saw state anything about Colt Black Powder Arms Company in New York? If yes, that is Signature Series literature.

Again, the serial number would be very helpful as well as close up pictures including the serial number.
 
"Colt Blackpowder Reproductions & Replicas: A Collector's & Shooter's Guide" is THE reference for all the Colt made 2nd & 3rd or "C" & "F" series guns. Only by serial number, the first series ran serial numbers 4201 through 25,099 from 1971 through 1978 and the second ran an odd catch up of numbers that are listed at 24,900 through 28,950 from May 1980 through October 1981. This for M.1851 Navies. Hope this helps. Won't give you the actual manufacturing date but will tell you which series run it was made in.
 
I got the serial # but didn't have my camera with me. It is 9044.
The barrel is seven inches long.
It has a signature engraved on the grip backstrap " Roger Waltz" between two tulips but that would be an owner name wouldn't it rather than the signature series?
I would have thought the signature series would have said "Samuel Colt" or something like that. Mike D.
 
Right in the middle of the backstrap "Sam'l Colt" is engraved on the signature series guns. If you have one with a former owner's name, that could detract some from the value. The backstrap would be silver plated also.

If the engraved name isn't too deep, you might be able to polish it out. Or you could get another backstrap and re-plate it. :idunno:
 
I'm thinking it should be a good bargaining chip to get the price down to the 400 dollar mark that seems to be appropriate for a owner signed gun.
Thanks for your help. I'll make an offer on it in a day or two. Mike D.
 
I just bought a Colt 1862 Pocket Police .36 cal. on Gunbroker last night. It is hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks like the serial # is 55557. Any idea of the time frame of manufacturing?
 
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