FOR SALE 1865 Enfield for sale

[FranksRedHot]

For sale. 1865 Enfield used for Civil War reenactment events. Price is $1,500

 

[Cubreac]

Any minute now someone is going to ask you to post a photo of the rifle with your name and the date written on a piece of paper next to it.

Who is the maker? A photo of the stamped area the barrel would be good. What is the barrel twist?

thanks

 

[Magungo1066]

Welcome to the forum! In order to sell something you need to post a picture of the product that also has your username/todays date written on a piece of paper in the same picture. The mods will get upset. It would also help you sell it if you know the company. Larry

 

[Magungo1066]

Any minute now someone is going to ask you to post a photo of the rifle with your name and the date written on a piece of paper next to it.

Who is the maker? A photo of the stamped area the barrel would be good. What is the barrel twist?

thanks

Guess ya got me haha

 

[tjiann]

Looks like an Italian (Euroarms) Parker-Hale P53? Never saw the P-H stamped on the lock of a Birmingham-made model. Anyway, beautiful looking gun.

 

[FranksRedHot]

FNG here, thanks for the helpful replies. My dad was big into re-enactments from mid 70s to mid 80s. I inherited it from there and don’t do anything Civil War related. Was hoping someone would use it more than I did.
I added a picture of the top of what I believe is a date stamp.
I’m unsure of the rifle twist.
In regards to stamped area of the barrel, if you can point me in the right direction of where to look, I’d be more than happy to add a picture.

 

[Cubreac]

If you want to sell this rifle at that price you would do well to photograph it from the butt to barrel tip from the left, the right, the top and the bottom, four or five photos each working from one end to the other. There should be more information stamped on the side of the barrel right above the stock on the right and left sides just in front of the hammer.
You probably won't have a problem selling it here. Check what other similar rifle muskets have gone for recently. I'm not sure if these transitional Parker Hales have the original P-H progressive twist rate, but if this one does that would be a big selling point. **** luck.

 

[Rudyard]

Not sure P Hales had progressive twist just deeper at breach than muzzle grouves . Its got the Brum proof mark & looks tidy & in good condition .But I've got an old one of 1859 which was a big year for the UK Volunteer Movement . its got '1853' the pattern, first ones whe're artillery carbines this splendid example with the Baddley bands seems in great condition but i'me not in the market nor should I comment either way but its kept well externally that's evident .
Rudyard

 

[Muley Gil]

Looks like an Italian (Euroarms) Parker-Hale P53? Never saw the P-H stamped on the lock of a Birmingham-made model. Anyway, beautiful looking gun.

I have all three Parker-Hale military arms-the 1853, the 1858 and the 1861. All were built in England and all three have the P-H & crown on the lockplate.

 

[tjiann]

I have all three Parker-Hale military arms-the 1853, the 1858 and the 1861. All were built in England and all three have the P-H & crown on the lockplate.

You're right. I stand corrected. I have all 3 as well and somehow forgot about that, though currently selling my '61 musketoon. Great guns and the OPs is beautiful.

 

[FranksRedHot]

If you want to sell this rifle at that price you would do well to photograph it from the butt to barrel tip from the left, the right, the top and the bottom, four or five photos each working from one end to the other. There should be more information stamped on the side of the barrel right above the stock on the right and left sides just in front of the hammer.
You probably won't have a problem selling it here. Check what other similar rifle muskets have gone for recently. I'm not sure if these transitional Parker Hales have the original P-H progressive twist rate, but if this one does that would be a big selling point. **** luck.

 

[FranksRedHot]

cleaned out the bore today with a bore snake, got in some better lighting and took a longer video (attached above) from the top to end of barrel. Doesn’t look to me as if there’s any pitting.

 

[FranksRedHot]

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For sale. 1865 Enfield used for Civil War reenactment events. Price is $1,500

Price lowered to $1300.

 

[19thCenturyNapoleon]

I will thinkn about it if you do 1000. at 1300, i would just a buy a new. pedersoli

 

[FranksRedHot]

I will thinkn about it if you do 1000. at 1300, i would just a buy a new. pedersoli

With shipping costs, best I could do is $1,200

 

[Thomas Nelson]

I have all three Parker-Hale military arms-the 1853, the 1858 and the 1861. All were built in England and all three have the P-H & crown on the lockplate.

Do you still have these rifles?

 

[Muley Gil]

Do you still have these rifles?

Sure do. When they came out, I was a poor college student & I lusted after them. Took me 30 years before I could find all three at a price I could afford.

The 2 bander is my N-SSA competition rifle. I used to use the musketoon as well, but now shoot a Smith carbine.

They are not for sale.

 

[kh54]

@FranksRedHot - did you sell this musket? I’m not a buyer but I am interested in Parker Hale Enfields. I have three now: 1853 (“3-band”), 1858 (“2-band”), and 1863 (“Musketoon”) models. I traded a fourth one, another 1853, and I wish I had kept it. If you can’t ever have too many guns, you certainly cant own too many Parker Hale Enfields.

I understand that the 1858 pattern was preferred by many soldiers over the 1853 (and still preferred by shooters today) because the 1858 was more accurate, due to 1:48 twist versus the 1:78 of the 1853. (My ancestor’s regiment was issued 1858 “Enfield rifles” in 1862 and learning that sparked my interest in Enfields in general.) Parker Hale accurately reproduced the progressive depth rifling and twist of the original Enfields in all three patterns. However, I learned that PH produced some 1853 muskets with the 1:48 for the U.S. market. If yours is one of these historically incorrect but desirable guns for shooting, your asking price may not be too far from the mark. Otherwise (and I’m not trying to offend) I believe the value is closer to $900 - $1,000. And that, of course, is just my opinion.

I couldn’t view all of your photos. Does the barrel have the Birmingham address on the top? The crown over BP is the British proof mark for a finished firearm and unless you’ve already been told otherwise, I believe that you have the genuine article and not one of the guns assembled in Italy from parts. The date code will be letters or numerals in a pair of crossed swords. As I recall it can be a very small mark on the underside of the barrel.

BTW, it’s fairly easy to check the twist rate if you haven’t already. And because I’m curious, please let us know what you find.

 

[DimWitworth]

Price lowered to $1300.

Far out man. Who made it?

 

[kh54]

Who made it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker-Hale
The Wikipedia article makes no mention of the reproduction Enfields but this is the company. The blocky logo appears prominently on the box of my PH 1858 pattern Enfield.

You can probably find numerous threads from others more versed in the history of the PH Enfield reproductions themselves.