209 adaptor for sidelock

[mazo kid]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. #11's will work fine. Plus they're traditional. :thumbsup:

Bill, it's your gun so use it if you must, but keep in mind the word "TRADITIONAL!". IMO it is kinda like trying to adapt a Bic lighter to a flint lock. No offense meant.

 

[roundball]

I've never seen or heard of a 209 shotgun primer adapter...only an adapter that held a small rifle primer...is there a link to a 209 shotgun primer adapter for a sidelock?

 

[FishDFly]

"Traditional", what does the word mean?

A T/C a side hammer, but fancy adjustable sights?

A T/C Hot Shot nipple and magnum primers?

A CO2 discharger?

Grease zerts?

Shooting round objects which are not lead?

Chambers Flush Tube Cleaner for flint locks?

Pump sprayers for cleaning solutions.

I am not saying that his purchase is needed, but it's about as traditional as some of the above which are accepted.



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RDE

 

"Traditional", what does the word mean?

A T/C a side hammer, but fancy adjustable sights?

A T/C Hot Shot nipple and magnum primers?

A CO2 discharger?

Grease zerts?

Shooting round objects which are not lead?

Chambers Flush Tube Cleaner for flint locks?

Pump sprayers for cleaning solutions.

I am not saying that his purchase is needed, but it's about as traditional as some of the above which are accepted.



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RDE

I think to be fair, you need to separate the functioning of the gun and it's parts, from how people clean it once they get home. I don't know anyone who reenacts "cleaning their gun". That would be like requiring them to not use a car to get to a rendezvous or stop taking their blood pressure meds while in camp. Let's be realistic. A scope on a muzzleloader, at an event, is not traditional, but how you clean it at home is irrelevant.

 

[luieb45]

If I were you I wouldn't put that modern junk on a good traditional muzzleloader.Just stick to no. 11 s or musket caps.

 

[FishDFly]

You are right, it just seems the "T" word surfaces when something does not fit a person's personal view of "T" at times.

RDE

 

[mazo kid]

And I apologize if I can off as too hard nosed. If indeed he did use the 209 adapter, I don't think anyone would say anything except maybe at a juried event. I just don't like to see scopes on a traditional gun, stuff like that.

 

[kevindj]

I think he has a legitimate question. If this gun is to be a primary hunting gun and it can be switched back for the more traditional look and use why not try it. I am gussing it will be easier to keep dry and will throw a whole lot more fire down the hole.

Report back if you try it.

 

[FishDFly]

No problem.

I just find it kind of interesting/frustrating when the "T" word is used when someone's idea does not fit what someone else considersd as appropriate.

I shoot traditional guns, but I also shoot teflon patches, so goes tradition.

RDE

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

Some care about tradition, some don't.

This gimmick doesn't do anything a normal cap can't do. It just slows down the reloading process and takes money away from the unwary. Crap like this has been around since the rebirth of interest in muzzleloading in the mid-fifties. And it always finds buyers--among the least traditional shooters whose commitment to doing things as they were done is limited. People not quite sure of themselves and their guns. People looking for an edge. People with no commitment to history. People looking for an easier way. People who would be better off with a scoped, stainless steel, plastic stocked, sabot shooting, smokeless powder burning in-line rifle. Instead of pretending and modifying a traditional rifle one bit at a time why not admit that the sidelock guns aren't your cup of tea? :v

 

[FishDFly]

No argument here.

The person explained why he asked his question, and his answer was honest to me.

His question makes more sense to me than, "how do I clean my rifle" which is asked a lot.

RDE

 

[John Wasmuth]

Ouch,

 

[renovato]

and will throw a whole lot more fire down the hole.

And that's the big drawback right there. Same as using a magnum cap. The extra fire achieves nothing. But in many guns, it does play havoc with accuracy by causing inconsistent velocities. I've never tried a modern primer or a musket cap on a sidelock, but I've put in my share of time trying to develop a load for magnum caps that shot as well as standard #11s and gave up in frustration. I'm of the belief that the least amount of fire/pressure you can get by with and still get quick, reliable ignition, the better. Those 209 primers have a lot of BANG compared to a standard #11 cap.

 

[trent/OH]

I shoot flintlocks, so I have no experience with 209 primers in a sidelock. However, I have recently observed percussion caps being scarce, and expensive when available. In the past, when pistol and rifle primers are scarce, shotgun primers are much more available. As such, having the option of shooting without percussion caps might be a plus.

As a caveat, some matches at Friendship, and I suppose other places, don't allow the use of primers as an ignition source.

 

[jethro224]

Some care about tradition, some don't.

This gimmick doesn't do anything a normal cap can't do. It just slows down the reloading process and takes money away from the unwary. Crap like this has been around since the rebirth of interest in muzzleloading in the mid-fifties. And it always finds buyers--among the least traditional shooters whose commitment to doing things as they were done is limited. People not quite sure of themselves and their guns. People looking for an edge. People with no commitment to history. People looking for an easier way. People who would be better off with a scoped, stainless steel, plastic stocked, sabot shooting, smokeless powder burning in-line rifle. Instead of pretending and modifying a traditional rifle one bit at a time why not admit that the sidelock guns aren't your cup of tea? :v

Russ, you're forgetting about a whole bunch of people. Among them the least experienced shooters whose knowledge of doing things as they were done is limited. People not yet sure of themselves and their guns. People who have been told they need an edge. People who don't know the way. People who have never tried anything other than a scoped, stainless-steel, plastic-stocked, sabot-shooting, smokeless powder-burning rifle. And people who have read too many magazine ads.

I'm guessing Bill M. fits somewhere in there with his "new TC Hawken", his new forum membership, and his 2 posts. :thumbsup:

:v

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

Then perhaps the time to ask about these rip-offs is before buying them? I know, I know, that's just silly, right? It's always best to purchase a pile of useless stuff so that you can have a honkin' great yard sale someday.

Or you can ask questions of knowledgeable folks before buying and save yourself a lot of time and money. You can decide if you want to go traditional, quasi-traditional or if you might someday want to get into re-enacting.

Or you can buy that lousy in-line and use up all those 209 primers you've already got anyway.....

 

[musketman]

This post is now locked, its seems to be going nowhere but downhill from here.