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I shoot deer with my .50 or .54 and elk with my .58. I just wanted a .40 as I had been told by several that it is the "most accurate" caliber. Sounds like BS? I believe it's the gun (and shooter of course) not the caliber but I dont have one....yet. Will keep eyes open for good used one.
 
YEP, no particular caliber is more accurate than another. = It's solely the quality of the firearm & the skill of the shooter that is important.

yours, satx
 
My 40 is my favorite rifle. Not more accurate but shoots flatter than my larger calibers - so from that perspective, sighted at 75 I don't have to "adjust" or hold different from 25 to 75 yards and it will be "more bang on" than my 50 or 54.

And I do use the 40 for deer. Works just fine if you keep the range respectable (under 50 yards) and only take an unobstructed broadside shot on a deer standing still.
 
Thanks for the information. As I said, I think the 32 is better for squirrel but the 40 would be a combination type arm. As I understand things, if the twist is a little fast for a PRB you can drop down the powder charge and that should improve accuracy (within limits) and if the prb is used for squirrels- you don't need a heavy powder charge, so the issue is what rate of twist will give accuracy for squirrel but is fast enough to allow a conical that would work on deer (I'm in the south with small deer). That 1/36 sounds like a possible. I have a 1/38 54 caliber and that actually does a pretty good job with prb if I drop the powder down.
 
I have a 1:48 twist barrel with .012" round bottomed rifling, that works perfectly with PRB which I use for deer.

I horsed around trying to get bullets to shoot well with it but was unhappy with the performance much past 30 yards. At that rate I figured the round ball was the superior way to go with this twist.

The barrel started life at 42". For the build I cut it down to 40" which left me a nice 2" "stub".

I used that stub as a die to engrave oversize pistol bullets which were lubed and forced through the stub. It resulted in a bullet that was precisely sized/engraved to my barrel. They were then lubed/loaded without a patch (paper or otherwise).

I believe the method would have worked well with a faster twist - somewhere in the 1:28-1:32 with significantly shallower groves. They started to keyhole out at 40/50 yards with the 1:48 twist.

There was another decent discussion here recently on shooting conicals which has brought my interest back up to the front burner.

From my initial playing around I don't believe you would get satisfactory performance of both round ball and a conical with a "single barrel".

A hooked breech to allow a "quick change" and two differently rifled barrels would be the way to go in my opinion.

I am again considering getting Oregon barrel to make me a fast twist, shallow grove (square bottomed rifling) barrel that I can use for conicals with my 40.

Having said all that, I would be doing that "just because".

I still consider the 40 to be a "close range" weapon for deer - just a bit over "bow range". A conical may allow you to reach out a bit, but it will never approach the thump of a 50.

You would be throwing "way more lead" which would turn it's flat shoot trajectory into a rainbow at anything over 50 yards. So while you could increase "thumpability" up close over the PRB, if you are looking for "distance", a larger bore would still be the answer.
 
Remember as the bore diameter grows you need a slower twist to accomplish the same thing. A 1-48 in a 32 is a slow round ball twist. In a 54 you want a 1-70 to accomplish the same. That's really where the accuracy tales come from for the 40. 1-48 is very slow in the 32, a little slow in the 36 and about perfect for the 40. The caliber isn't any more accurate than any other just the popular twist rate matches it perfectly. For the TC fans that own multiple calibers in the 1-48 twist, with a prb the 45 is going to be more accurate than the 50, the 50 more accurate than the 54. It's just the nature of things.

If you fellas want a little history on the 40 from a Southern boy where they are passed down along with the stories then read on. If not then don't waste your time any further reading this post it's a little lengthy.

In the East the big game was pretty much hunted out to near extinction. It was a rare occurrence to see any big game at one time. No game laws and a whole lot of immigrants did them in. Most people were not wealthy enough to own multiple guns. They had no use for their big game rifles. They were either sold and taken out west or bored to smooth bores for small game. By the way 55 was the most popular caliber back then in the East.

In the mean time target shooting also became wildly popular. The wife, the kids, grandma, everyone shot. They were social gatherings. The small game rifles put food on the table and also allowed the family to participate in the social events. The shutzen rifle came along and killed the target shooting events as it was so much more accurate. So matches dwindled out and became spectator events.
Meanwhile big game animals made a comeback. Now you have all these people with squirrel rifles and they find out deer and bear don't respond favorably to them. (Don't tell the TN boys that though.)
They also can't shoot it in the matches anymore since the rich folks are the only ones that can afford the fancy new guns. So you want it bored out. The fella tells you he can only bore it out so much, not enough metal there to turn it into a big game rifle. He makes you an intermediate twist rifle that is the biggest he can safely bore it to. Now you can shoot bullets and balls. So odds are every very old 40 with a 1-36 twist you run into, at one time was any number of 20 or 30 calibers, not just a 32 or 36. (Don't tell the die hard traditionalist that bullets were used in muzzle loaders commonly. Boy we'd never get past the meltdowns from that one.) :grin:
 
What I find real interesting is starting around 1835 and going forward until about 1900 how people were working overtime trying to figure out how to build a better conical rifle. From the book "the cap lock muzzle loading rifle" by Ned Roberts is a lot of info on those target & hunting rifles. All kinds of sights were tried, but they didn't have short starters. Those were called straight starters or guide starters.
 
Shh, they only shot balls, you're ruining it. Moulds are hard enough to find for the smaller calibers as it is. It's strange that you see more original conical moulds that look like a set of pliers, than a modern block style mould for sell these days. Of coarse the big companies used to make them and Lee still does special runs but that is really puzzling in this day of mass manufacturing and cnc machinery.
 

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