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[Tinker2]

What is the load for your 9mm smoothie?

I had to dig out my stuff for it and check my powder and shot measures.
My shot and powder are both as much as the same 20 grain volume measure.

#10 or #9 shot size is what I like best, FFF black powder.


William Alexander

 

[rodwha]

How close do you have to get with that small shot? Assuming it's starting around 1050 fps but being so small it must peter out faster.

 

[Tinker2]

How close do you have to get with that small shot? Assuming it's starting around 1050 fps but being so small it must peter out faster.

I would be guessing on how close I get. Maybe 20 to 30 yards.
I hunt Doves, Eurasian Collared-Dove and pigeons.
I like squab even through a true squab is too young to fly I think.
Never have done the tuna can thing, never used it on a bunny or a tree rat.
On doves and pigeons works great.

So I went out and patterned it today at 25 yards.
9mm smooth bore.

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Hope that answers some of your questions



William Alexander

 

[rodwha]

Very interesting. I have to say I'm a bit surprised by what you show with what you are using (12 x 12?). Very nice!

 

[Tinker2]

“I'm a bit surprised by what you show”

What part surprised you?

If you are asking about the size of the pattern paper it is just less than 18X18”



William Alexander

 

[rodwha]

How well it patterned with such a small load of shot. Much better than I would have imagined from a cylinder bore at that distance.

 

[coloradoclyde]

I shoot small loads all the time...bigger gauges like 12....and in smaller gauges like 410.

You can launch a 1000 pellets flying through the air....but 9 times out of 10 only about 6 pellets on average hit the animal.......Everything else is a waste.....

 

[rodwha]

So why not use a more common gauge with a lesser load?

 

[coloradoclyde]

So why not use a more common gauge with a lesser load?

 

[rodwha]

I see that you, and many others, do just that. So I'm curious why someone created a specialty smoothbore for this. Quite frankly I'm a bit ignorant concerning smoothbores but can't say I've seen very small gauges spoken of or pictured. It seems they all are mid bore or larger.

 

[Tinker2]

“Much better than I would have imagined from a cylinder bore at that distance.”

I didn’t say it was a cylinder bore. I have not checked this gun but others I have had were choked
In a small bore it does not take much of a constriction to make a choke.

The pattern that I got with that gun is not the best I have seen from similar bore guns.

“So why not use a more common gauge with a lesser load?”

I do use lesser loads in my bigger guns
if I am going very low I don’t know how they would pattern?
My larger smooth bore guns don’t have chokes, not that I know if the 9mm does.

“So I'm curious why someone created a specialty smoothbore for this.”

I'm a bit surprised that you would ask that.
Aren’t you the one planning to rework a model 60 Remington .31 pistol?
I have been watching that and may do that too.




William Alexander

 

[Tinker2]

I shoot small loads all the time...bigger gauges like 12....and in smaller gauges like 410.

So, please, what are your loads




William Alexander

 

[rodwha]

I was merely curious why and wondered if it had something to do with square loads and the desire to use specifically what was needed. As CC stated only a handful of pellets will strike the target so the rest are essentially wasted.

I am enamored with that little Remington and if I buy one I'd want it to be properly set up. With it being so grossly misproportioned it seems about worthless out of the box. But I'm not sure if I care enough to purchase one. It's rather me on my list.

 

[rodwha]

Now having a smoothbore for my Lyman (28 ga) and an additional barrel for longer range shooting with conicals with either peeps or a Malcolm scope is certainly high on my list, along with a .54 cal PRB barrel.

And I've considered something along those lines with a Traditions Crockett getting a fast twist .40 or .45 cal barrel, a PRB .45 cal, and likely a .410 or some such. Seeing how well yours patterned I may well go with a smaller bore.

 

[Tinker2]

“I was merely curious why”

Part of the why is that I like to have something different.
That’s part of why people shoot black powder and/or a flintlock, march to a different drummer.
That’s me anyways.
Part of the why is that it is all that is needed to do what I do with it.




William Alexander

 

[coloradoclyde]

I shoot small loads all the time...bigger gauges like 12....and in smaller gauges like 410.

So, please, what are your loads


William Alexander

PM sent....

 

[Tinker2]

“I am enamored with that little Remington and if I buy one I'd want it to be properly set up. With it being so grossly misproportioned it seems about worthless out of the box. But I'm not sure if I care enough to purchase one. It's rather me on my list.”

I have one; “out of the box” they are not worthless.
Shoots as well as my Colt Root .28
They would shoot better with some work, but short barrel and small grip they never will be great.
They are what they are. Compare them to other small pocket guns and they are not so bad
That said, I may put a longer barrel on mine someday.


William Alexander

 

[Tinker2]

Thank you for that.


William Alexander

 

[Eterry]

Well, a picture is worth a thousand words... anything caught in the center of that pattern is in for a bad day... and a frying pan.
I have a 28ga barrel, it's on my list...

 

[Wes/Tex]

I started with a .410 (not a muzzleloader) and it served very well. Have considered making a front-stuffer version for myself. Will pass along something myself, but small bores have patterns a bit lengthy compared to larger bores. Many have compared it to a pencil vs. a plate which is ridiculous, but you do have to be sure of your lead to put the pattern on target. :thumbsup: