45 Caliber Target Rifle

[frankie]

Insofar as the typical 19thC British .45 cal long range muzzle loading match rifle, false muzzle's weren't needed for preventing damage to the bullet. The paper patched bullets are marginally under bore size and a slip fit, loading with the weight of the rod. Nothing is needed to 'get the bullet started'. They expand to fit the rifling on firing. False muzzles were however provided by some makers - these were essentially to stop wear at the muzzle from the action of loading and cleaning rods. There were also muzzle protectors available to slip over rods and use when loading/cleaning.

David

thanks Dave

 

[frankie]

I think it is personal preference on which rifle to build. Alex Henry? Rigby? Gibbs? or Other?

I would consider parts from Rod England with perhaps a custom barrel. Rods are AH style rifles.

Fleener

I just bought a Don Brown, Henry sporting rifle still in the crate from 1997. 45 caliber full octagon, 1-32 twist. It's a kit gun. I don't know who made the barrel. I don't know much about this gun. I did hear Rod England took over the business years ago.

 

[52Bore]

Frankie;
Most of Don Brown barrels were Getz and some rifled by Ken Owens.

That 1-32 twist is going to make LR shooting more difficult.

 

[fleener]

Frankie: Does your new rifle have a ramrod or no ramrod? I am assuming that it is a sporting rifle not a target rifle. I believe that there are a lot of Don Brown kits that have never been assembled.

Fleener

 

[frankie]

Frankie: Does your new rifle have a ramrod or no ramrod? I am assuming that it is a sporting rifle not a target rifle. I believe that there are a lot of Don Brown kits that have never been assembled.

Fleener

Yeah it's got a ram rod. I know nothing about this kit. It looks like it's a nice piece of English. This rifle maybe a better rifle than I am a shooter. The guy did tell me it is a sporting rifle. He didn't know who made the barrel, it's octagon 32 inch. 1-32 twist I have the original receipt. It says 1997.

 

[fleener]

Good chance that the barrel is a Badger. If so, they made great barrels.

Fleener

 

[frankie]

Good chance that the barrel is a Badger. If so, they made great barrels.

Fleener

thank you

 

[cannonball1]

The parts are here. I had a piece of highly curly maple and a english lock and was going to make a sporting rifle with a Krieger barrel. The wait time was a year, so here is sorta my substitute. It will be a copy of a G.J. Reynolds shotgun, octagon to round barrel. Very close to a Alex Henry shotgun. The photos were protected. I couldn't find parts until a couple of members told me about Rod England. His parts are very good castings

And it begins with a 12 ga Rice shotgun barrel.

 

[stikshooter]

I just got through with sporting rifle with a 1 in 18 twist barrel from GM Barrel company. Want something better. This is not a roundball gun. It is for long distance shooting. 500+ grain bullet. I have also made a couple of fast twist gun from another barrel company. This needs to be best of the best in 18" twist.

Mine is a Rice barrel 1-17 for a 530 gr to 700 yds with a BACO Eliptical paper patched (of course)443-530
16 -1 BHN and 82 grain of OE \Swiss launched from my Renegade /Ed

 

[cannonball1]

Changed from a 45 caliber to a shot English Shotgun. Think the grandson will use it more than a target rifle.

 

[fleener]

Looks great!

Fleener

 

[SciAggie]

That will brings lots of joy and fond memories to whoever uses it. It is a fine firearm.

 

[cannonball1]

Thanks, It is amazing just how much lighter the gun is than the long range English Sporting rifle. Fleener, now I see why you like the English Sporting Rifles. Throw the gun up to your shoulder and the sight plane is there. It fits me as good or better than my over/under. Patterns good and a joy to shoot, that is after I figure out how to load it with ease. Might have to go to several over-shot wads over the powder. 12 ga nitro wads are to big and you have to nearly pound the wad down after the first shot and 13 ga are to small.
This area we live in was nicknamed rooster valley because of all of the pheasants that were in the valley. I love to bird hunt, but never owned a muzzleloader shotgun . In the early 70's when Utah created the first muzzleloader deer hunts, both started the first week in November. My shotgun found its way to the back of the closet. I loved muzzleloading that much. Wish I would have purchased a ML shotgun then. I guess after the novelty wears off I will go back to the target shooting. This is going to my son anyway, probably sooner than later. His boys have found a lot of blue grouse in the mountains to hunt anyway and they are as good eating as pheasants. I am getting at the age I would almost rather talk about it than do it anyway.

 

[cannonball1]

Might get a second barrel. 20 ga. or 45 caliber 18 twist to fit this gun.

 

[Uncle Miltie]

Best of the best would require a choked bore, mould and tooling.

 

[Uncle Miltie]

Insofar as the typical 19thC British .45 cal long range muzzle loading match rifle, false muzzle's weren't needed for preventing damage to the bullet. The paper patched bullets are marginally under bore size and a slip fit, loading with the weight of the rod. Nothing is needed to 'get the bullet started'. They expand to fit the rifling on firing. False muzzles were however provided by some makers - these were essentially to stop wear at the muzzle from the action of loading and cleaning rods. There were also muzzle protectors available to slip over rods and use when loading/cleaning.

David

David the Clarke patented muzzle was developed to start a cloth patched bullet in a choked bore.

Insofar as the typical 19thC British .45 cal long range muzzle loading match rifle, false muzzle's weren't needed for preventing damage to the bullet. The paper patched bullets are marginally under bore size and a slip fit, loading with the weight of the rod. Nothing is needed to 'get the bullet started'. They expand to fit the rifling on firing. False muzzles were however provided by some makers - these were essentially to stop wear at the muzzle from the action of loading and cleaning rods. There were also muzzle protectors available to slip over rods and use when loading/cleaning.

Alvan Clark invented his patent (false) muzzle chiefly to load a cloth patched bullet in a choked bore.

 

[SciAggie]

I hope the novelty doesn’t wear off for you. That shotgun will be great for pheasant, grouse.

 

[ResearchPress]

David the Clarke patented muzzle was developed to start a cloth patched bullet in a choked bore.

Yes, thanks, I am aware of the original application of false muzzles under Clarke’s US patent. However, as later applied to British match rifles with slip fit paper patched bullets, they protected the muzzle from loading and cleaning rods. False muzzles evolved in other ways too in the US - where a cross patch could be used when loading, which folded around the bullet.

David

 

[GREENSWLDE]

Fleener, I contacted Krieger Barrel and they can make me a blank with what I want. My machinist will make it an octagon barrel for $150.00. The only problem is I am looking at least one year before they would make it. I am in the essence in time when waiting doesn't work very well. Guess I will see what the wait time is for a Rice Barrel.

Stikshooter, how does the Rice barrel shoot long range? To put you on the spot. What are some of the long range groups? I do have one of their slow twist barrels on a Hawken that has never been shot for grouping. Long story, but It was made for my Grandson. He is in Germany and I am waiting for him to get home to give it to him.

If your Grandson is in Germany, See if he can locate Ueli Ecelburger in Switzerland. He cut me a .461 Metford form 5 groove some years ago. I profiled it in UK after it arrived by Post.. Shot well out to 1000yds .and 100M and every thing inbetween.Best of luck with FUN shooting at L/R but remember
The target is 1000yds away..Scoring is 1000 there and 1ooo back.. O.D.

 

[GREENSWLDE]

Yes, thanks, I am aware of the original application of false muzzles under Clarke’s US patent. However, as later applied to British match rifles with slip fit paper patched bullets, they protected the muzzle from loading and cleaning rods. False muzzles evolved in other ways too in the US - where a cross patch could be used when loading, which folded around the bullet.

David

David, if youve not tried it have a go . You'll understand why the term "CROSSPATCH is use for some one Bad Tempered. OLD DOG..